Sabbath Keeping

[FullTruth]

I've have made a major decision.

If God will use 4 scriptures in Exodus 20 to describe the Sabbath day, the Sabbath day must be important to God, so I have decided to become a 'Heretic' Sabbath Keeper!

I'm going to keep the Sabbath for the rest of my life. I'm not going to day any work from Friday on sunset to Saturday on sunset. I'm going to become a Sabbath Keeper, because it's important to God! Yes, I'm only going to read my Bible, pray, play some video games and enjoy myself every Friday night to Saturday night. And yes, lots of eating! Time to celebrate the day that God gave us to rest. WOOT!

Who else wants to take up that challange and become Sabbath Keepers yourselves?

[jeffpugh]

First of all, I have to say Welcome Back FullTruth. It's good to see you around. I'll have to think about your offer... as soon as I write up a schedule for this Lenten season. I've given up computer games, so I might spend Sabbath studying the ways of the Church and Scripture. Anywho I'll sorta watch to see what the other Phatmassers say about your choice. Personally, it is good that you plan to set aside a day without work because I think that is still demanded of us today, despite the culture's demand of efficiency and such. Btw so there is no confusion, I still go with the Sabbath being on Sunday. I'm still Catholic

[FullTruth]

Good to hear from you.

I've stopped thinking about any religions anymore. The elites in charge have given us all religions so that we start fighting each other because 'our church has the truth and yours does not'. Kinda ridiculous sounding to me.

I'm going with the Saturday Sabbath because God said it was the seventh day of the week we are to rest, not the first, though I'm pretty sure he wouldn't hold it over people from taking the day of rest on Sunday. After all, man wasn't made for the Sabbath, the Sabbath was made for man.

I've renounced all kinds of things lately, which is why I am here. The Devil has been on my heels lately, attacking me more and more. The spirits attacking me were so powerful, I couldn't eat or sleep for a while. But those suckers are subject to the power of the name of Jesus/Yehshua, YHWH our saving cry. YHWH always comes through for me.

I'm not sure where my stance on the Godhead is anymore. God uses I, me, mine, my, his, him, he too much in scripture for me to believe God is divided into three persons, but I do believe Jesus has always been in heaven. Such is the nature of glory. Once one has been recieved into it, they exist beyond time, so Christ has always been in heaven - but is he a person of God, or God manifested in the flesh, or simply God's body - is another thing. I'll be pouring my heart reading the KJV and JPS bibles to find the answers.

[Aloysius]

To understand which 'sabbath' ought to be kept in the Christian age, one must consider Christ's work of re-creation of the earth. The first creation quickly descended into fallen nature when evil entered the world; with Christ's redemptive work He has "made all things new", remade creation.

The majority of His work was done on the Cross on Friday and in His descent to the Bosom of Abraham on Saturday to release those who were just before His coming. He rested on the Day of Ressurection, Sunday.

But it was His seventh day on Earth, because all day Saturday He was not on earth (except in a lifeless body). And in His body, as a son of Abraham bound to full obedience of the law of Moses, He ought to rest every seventh day. This is why He rested on Sunday, the seventh day He was on earth that week. And all His followers, joined in the body of Christ, are re-made in this new cycle which skipped the very first Holy Saturday and made Resurection Sunday the day of rest.

This is why the Apostles themselves moved the day from Saturday to Sunday, in commemoration of the day they rested with Christ after His ressurection, the day God rested after making all things anew.

As a believeer in Christ's redemptive work and His re-creation of the Earth in that redemptive work, you really ought to commemorate Sunday, the Lord's Day, with your fellow Christians. This is the way to keep Holy the Sabbath of the New Creation.

[FullTruth]

That's funny.

You think Sunday is the 'new seventh day'.

First of all, The Bible doesn't say which day of the week Christ died on. And even if he did, rest in that time period would be tied with his death (rest in peace) - which, according to you, would be Saturday, and Resurrecrtion Sunday would start Christ's new work in the world, certainly not a day of rest.

BTW, I have rejected all 'Christian' Religious Holidays, So your arguement was well intentioned but flawed in my eyes. I am going back to the old testament festivals as days of celebration.

Every Holiday/Sabbath 'Christians' is the 'Christanization' of Pagan Festivals that were practiced for hundreds of years before the time the Pope, not Christ, declared it.

The major day of worship for the Apostles was Saturday. Anything anybody else told you is a fiendish lie.

Still, Man wasn't made for the Sabbath, Sabbath was made for the man.

To love Jesus Christ is all that is required. Love him and him alone, and take up your bow and fire your spiritual arrows at the spirits of Babylon that are destroying our world.

Edited February 28, 2007 by FullTruth

[Akalyte]

welcome back fulltruth..So God has called you, a lone wolf, to tell everyone they are wrong and you are right? What must I do to follow you sir? the gates of hell have prevailed against the original church and restored it with you. congratulations prophet. lol Basically this is how every non-catholic "bible believer" thinks.

They are called to tell everyone (especially the catholic church) that they are wrong and we must follow their interpretation of scripture. Christianity is divided because there are too many so called "heads" and "leaders". Christ left one leader for the church on earth and he comes in the office and primacy of the Pope. That's why Catholicism is united. As long as it has an earthly head the body will live and be united. Chop off the head (as 50,000 "bible believers") have done and the body dies.

Edited February 28, 2007 by Akalyte

[kenrockthefirst]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205607' date='Feb 27 2007, 10:27 PM']I've have made a major decision.

If God will use 4 scriptures in Exodus 20 to describe the Sabbath day, the Sabbath day must be important to God, so I have decided to become a 'Heretic' Sabbath Keeper!

I'm going to keep the Sabbath for the rest of my life. I'm not going to day any work from Friday on sunset to Saturday on sunset. I'm going to become a Sabbath Keeper, because it's important to God! Yes, I'm only going to read my Bible, pray, play some video games and enjoy myself every Friday night to Saturday night. And yes, lots of eating! Time to celebrate the day that God gave us to rest. WOOT!

Who else wants to take up that challange and become Sabbath Keepers yourselves?[/quote]

The Tanakh (Hebrew scriptures: Torah, Writings, Prophets) say a lot of things. Will you not eat pork? Pierce your servant's ear with an awl? Sacrifice two turtle doves for your first born son? Go to Jerusalem for the Passover?

Why not just become an Old Covenant Israelite? Oh, wait, you can't because the Temple was destroyed.

See, there's this thing called the New Covenant, in which Christ wrapped up all of the promises made in the Old Covenant. The work accomplished by Christ [i]is[/i] our sabbath. You're going backwards with your proposed plan.

[123]

[quote]If God will use 4 scriptures in Exodus 20 to describe the Sabbath day, the Sabbath day must be important to God, so I have decided to become a 'Heretic' Sabbath Keeper![/quote]My parents were strict Sabbatarians[SP], the majority of Christians I know were, and still are, strict Sabbath keepers. However, I guess I agree with Christ when said that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath, because the sabbath was made for us, not the other way around.

I wouldn't call your actions Heretical, but maybe a bit extreme.

[quote] 1At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath."

3He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent? 6I tell you that one[a] greater than the temple is here. 7If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,'[b] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

9Going on from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?"

[b] 11He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."[/b] Matthew 12:1-12[/quote]

Edited February 28, 2007 by GloriaIesusChristi

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1205739' date='Feb 28 2007, 12:03 PM']First of all, The Bible doesn't say[/quote]

You are right of course. The Bible doesn't say a lot of things. The Bible is of course, written tradition under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul also talks a lot about holding steadfast to oral traditions handed on by the apostles as well. We know, of course, in the records of the early Church, both canonical and extra biblical, that every number of Christian did not go running to the Torah to prove each other wrong, but they listened intently to the instructions of the apostles, whom Christ had given authority and power in the kingdom of God to hand on the Deposit of Faith entrusted to them. As Acts records and Paul admonishes, disobeying or lying to an apostle was tantamount lying to God and could incur the ecclesial penalty of death. Precisely because scripture is not a "rule book" for Christianity, but rather the living Word of God should one not see the scriptures in the vacuum of our own private interpretations. Written Tradition, in the scriptures, tells us that the Church is pillar of truth, thus there is authority outside of the Bible alone - Protestants find that authority in everyone who is a believer and picks up a Bible, yet Protestants agree that even other Protestants consistently interpret the Bible wrong. It begs the question - where does one see a consistent unchanging teaching authority in the Church since the time of Christ? There is only one answer.

[123]

[quote]You are right of course. The Bible doesn't say a lot of things. The Bible is of course, written tradition under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Paul also talks a lot about holding steadfast to oral traditions handed on by the apostles as well. We know, of course, in the records of the early Church, both canonical and extra biblical, that every number of Christian did not go running to the Torah to prove each other wrong, but they listened intently to the instructions of the apostles, whom Christ had given authority and power in the kingdom of God to hand on the Deposit of Faith entrusted to them. As Acts records and Paul admonishes, disobeying or lying to an apostle was tantamount lying to God and could incur the ecclesial penalty of death. Precisely because scripture is not a "rule book" for Christianity, but rather the living Word of God should one not see the scriptures in the vacuum of our own private interpretations. Written Tradition, in the scriptures, tells us that the Church is pillar of truth, thus there is authority outside of the Bible alone - Protestants find that authority in everyone who is a believer and picks up a Bible, yet Protestants agree that even other Protestants consistently interpret the Bible wrong. It begs the question - where does one see a consistent unchanging teaching authority in the Church since the time of Christ? There is only one answer.[/quote]

Bravo! However, what does tradition say about a individuals behavior on the Sabbath day? The Scriptures are repleate with information, but what keeps the See of Rome from teaching Strict Sabbitariansism[SP]?

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='GloriaIesusChristi' post='1205771' date='Feb 28 2007, 03:13 PM']The Scriptures are repleate with information, but what keeps the See of Rome from teaching Strict Sabbitariansism[SP]?[/quote]

The Holy Spirit has kept the Church from teaching anything contrary to the Truth for 2000 years.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]First of all, The Bible doesn't say which day of the week Christ died on.[/quote]"When evening had come, and since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council, who was also himself waiting expectantly for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate wondered if he were already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him whether he had been dead for some time." - Mark 15:42-45

On Sunday He rose again. If this doesn't make Sunday worth celebrating, nothing will.

[quote]I've stopped thinking about any religions anymore. The elites in charge have given us all religions so that we start fighting each other because 'our church has the truth and yours does not'. Kinda ridiculous sounding to me.[/quote]

So these 'elites' (whoever they are) have more power than God? The power to 'give us' religions and make us fight one another? No. The only 'elite' who was involved in the founding of my religion was Jesus of Nazareth. This doesn't mean all other religions are intrinsically evil or untrue, just that they aren't perfect in theology.

Your own posts on here are sometimes very judgmental, so by your own logic you are just another one-man church.

[Groo the Wanderer]

Just curious...you gonna get circumcised too?

What about burning bulls on an alter?

Splashed some lamb blood on yer lintels lately?



Methinks ye should listen to the words of St. Paul about this sort of thing. The Old Law does not cover us and to try to conform to it in an attempt at holiness is a farce and an affront to God.

[catholicinsd]

So Full Truth, what exactly is your career?

[N/A Gone]

Friend,

you know we are cool from our Pm's, I speak here as that friend. In high school I flirted strongly with becoming a messanic jew. I saw evangelical protestantism as in utter chaos and I had some polemical knowledge about catholicism. Jewish religious customs are not the glorified answer you are looking for. Also, you would not be using them properly In the book of hebrews (*which I suggest you read in depth before making this decision) it tells how the jewish customs and religious pratices were a preparation for Christ. Not something to continue doing while being a christian. Paul cites numerous times that we are free from that law, and putting ourselves back under that law makes no sense.

Often times someone who is strong willed takes a minor detour on their way to catholicism. A dear friend of mine strongly considered becoming an anglican, I almost became an agnostic. The common line is to think the Eastern Orthodox is all the good, without the bad. But all that does is show you that Christ made one church. he made one birth right. Everything else is just another man's attempt to reconcile his own epistemology with what the church teaches.

The conspircy theories are interesting, but how valid are they sir? I will entertain them if you want to talk about them.

In my prayers friend