To Larry ("truth")

[Aloysius]

It seems you refuse to follow simple logic or proper grammar.

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Larry, do you not realize that you are relying on your own self, not the Spirit, to decide what is true. you try to rely on the SPirit, but how do you know the Spirit? the SPirit of Truth was promised to lead the first Hiererchy of 12 into all truth, and it has never left to stop leading hierarchies from centuries later into ALL TRUTH.

you don't need to chizzle out the top of that dark cave to get the light, look behind you to the place you've turned your back to, there'z a huge field where the light shines freely upon all who choose not to enter the dark cave of self-reliance, but give everything totally to God through the visible manner He left us so we knew we could rely on Him by relying on something physical. you're in a dark cave. you've managed to poke a few holes into the rock, and have some light of our truth, but it's soooo easy to get the rest.. the Church is right behind you... turn around :cool:

[phatcatholic]

Yes, you do what you do but it has not bases in Christ work for us. It don't bring us closer to Christ it take you away from Christ. I'm not being mean spiritied but want you all to understand the just of things. We are to serve the Father, through Jesus, by the Holy Spirit. You get so twisted in your church that you miss the big picture. I know what you do and the reason that you do it, I poke fun at it because its the same things that blocked the Jews from see Christ for who he is. Please understand I have spend more time trying to understand and learn about your church because I know its wrong. See If you are 2000 or 10000 years old don't mean that you are right. The Jews faith is other than the Catholic faith, do that make it right. Or is it that you lay claim to Christ that make you right? Don't answer that! The bottom line is that if you are going in the wrong direction to get to a point it take longer to reach it.

The Bottom Line:

We are to focus on the teaching of Christ, for we are the Church. Not, focus on the Church in hope of being lead to Christ. The church/people/diciples of Christ are to go out into the world and share the Good News of Christ. Its not to protect the Cc to defend our faith, because Christ don't need it. The fruit don't fall very far from the tree. I only want to be know as a Christian, because it is from his tree that I claim to be fruit of. You remove the focus Christ when you proclaim Catholic, Baptis, Meth, Luther or anyother tree to have come from. If you still don't get it I can't help you. Please don't mistake conviction for faith and faith for conviction. For you conviction in the teaching of the Catholic church could be your condemnation of your faith in Christ. The same way you faith in Christ, well convict the Cc and condem its teaching.

Eph 5:6Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7Therefore do not be partners with them.

Test your faith to be sure that it is from God, through Jesus. You must seek truth and not being on the Oldest team. For Jesus said he would bring a father against his son and a daught againt her mother. That was what he was talking about. You have to take a course that was not of tradition but of faith in Christ and his word. God lead the Apostles by the Holy Spirit and didn't give them anything different from each other because he wanted them to be of one mind and one perpose. No of a single mind and single perpose. If he gave Peter another mind it would defeat the perpose.

Love and peace be unto you.

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all those words, yet u still failed to address the content of my post. i provide again for you:

my whole point is that the early Church is the Catholic Church. so, if you are saying here that the quotes i provided come from Catholics, then you have basically just proven my point (i bet even Circle would admit that this is a blunder on ur part). look at what we have established:

--i gave you some of the earliest recorded testimony from Christians in the early Church.

--they have the same beliefs that Catholics today have.

--you essentially admitted that the early Christians i quoted were Catholic

--therefore, both from your point-of-view and mine, the early Church was the Catholic Church.

enough said.

Good Luck and God Bless You in your search for Truth,

phatcatholic

please try to address my arguments, and please try to support ur claim, instead of just stating ur opinion as if it were fact. also, the argument is not that Catholicism is the oldest religion, but that it is the oldest Christian religion. Christ's Church is the one that can trace its beliefs to Christ. the Jews or any other "older" religion have no relevance on this issue.

the REAL bottom line is that the earliest recorded Christian testimony reveals that Christians from the very beginning believed what Catholics believed today.

--I REPEAT--

the REAL bottom line is that the earliest recorded Christian testimony reveals that Christians from the very beginning believed what Catholics believed today.

THAT is the burden of proof that you are up against. how on earth could you be correct in your beliefs when the majority of them weren't even held by Christians until the reformation? you realize that's 1500 years after Christ, right?

please deal w/ the topic at hand, and substantiate your opinions. also, a grammar and spell-check would help us immensely when we try to read ur posts.

Good Luck and God Bless You in your search for Truth,

phatcatholic

[phatcatholic]

your thoughts larry?