The Church Christ Founded And Common Sense

[Dave]

Then there is the all important question of which Church did Jesus Christ found:

1. This question is so simple to answer, yet hardly a single non-Catholic Christian can, or is willing to answer it in truth.

Every Christian denomination on earth was founded by a person with a name. Simply trace the origins of your denomination back through its history and you will find that all non-Catholic ecclesial communities are only traceable back a few years for most, and a few hundred years for some. You will also find that it was founded by a mere human person.

This takes us back to the question of authority which was discussed earlier.

Did any of these human persons have GOD given authority to found your ecclesial community?

If you think so, then I ask for a second time to please show me the verse in Holy Scripture?

2. There is only one Christian Church on earth that is traceable back for almost 2000 years to its founder Jesus Christ. This can be done by many different routes and by using many genuine historical documents. Since GOD does not ever change, then the Church which He founded is still with us today for we have His promises of protection and perpetuality...

His promise of protection:

"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18

His promises of perpetuality.

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to dwell with you forever, the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you shall know him, because he will dwell with you, and be in you."

John 14:16-17

"I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you."

John 14:18

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all* nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all* that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you all* days, even unto the consummation of the world."

Matthew 28:19-20

*All nations, all truth for all days, have overtones of universality dont they? It is a portent of the "Universal Church" founded by Jesus Christ.

Here is another "portent" of the Universal Church:

"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem (local) and in all Judea and Samaria (spreading out) and to the end of the earth (covering the whole world)."

Acts 1:8

All it takes to find the truth is a little common sense, but then, where is common sense today?

[Truth]

Then there is the all important question of which Church did Jesus Christ found:

1. This question is so simple to answer, yet hardly a single non-Catholic Christian can, or is willing to answer it in truth.

Every Christian denomination on earth was founded by a person with a name. Simply trace the origins of your denomination back through its history and you will find that all non-Catholic ecclesial communities are only traceable back a few years for most, and a few hundred years for some. You will also find that it was founded by a mere human person.

This takes us back to the question of authority which was discussed earlier.

Did any of these human persons have GOD given authority to found your ecclesial community?

If you think so, then I ask for a second time to please show me the verse in Holy Scripture?

2. There is only one Christian Church on earth that is traceable back for almost 2000 years to its founder Jesus Christ. This can be done by many different routes and by using many genuine historical documents. Since GOD does not ever change, then the Church which He founded is still with us today for we have His promises of protection and perpetuality...

His promise of protection:

"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18

His promises of perpetuality.

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to dwell with you forever, the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you shall know him, because he will dwell with you, and be in you."

John 14:16-17

"I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you."

John 14:18

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all* nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all* that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you all* days, even unto the consummation of the world."

Matthew 28:19-20

*All nations, all truth for all days, have overtones of universality dont they? It is a portent of the "Universal Church" founded by Jesus Christ.

Here is another "portent" of the Universal Church:

"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem (local) and in all Judea and Samaria (spreading out) and to the end of the earth (covering the whole world)."

Acts 1:8

All it takes to find the truth is a little common sense, but then, where is common sense today?

His promises of perpetuality.

"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to dwell with you forever, the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you shall know him, because he will dwell with you, and be in you."

John 14:16-17

"I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you."

John 14:18

"Go, therefore, and make disciples of all* nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all* that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you all* days, even unto the consummation of the world."

Matthew 28:19-20

His promises of perpetuality.

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And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, to dwell with you forever, the Spirit of truth whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you shall know him, because he will dwell with you, and be in you[/color]."

[color=blue]Common sense is that it is you that the Holy Spirit dwell in, No a building. [/color]

[color=blue]There are not one single overtone or word that would lead anyone to think CC. or universality or universal. If you trace back to the first church its would be Christ Church. Name by its FOUNDER CHRIST. Pointing only to Christians. The Age of the Church is the age of men that followed Christ. Not the CC...The Church was underground for over 350 years, BEFORE the CC. So, my question is which is older

Christ Church or The CC?[/color]

*All nations, all truth for all days, have overtones of universality dont they? It is a portent of the "Universal Church" founded by Jesus Christ.

Here is another "portent" of the Universal Church:

"But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem (local) and in all Judea and Samaria (spreading out) and to the end of the earth (covering the whole world)."

Acts 1:8

[size=7][color=red]As for common sense: Christians if its not backed by scripture and you are in dout, don't ask a priest, throw it OUT!!![/color]

You first have to be baptized to receive what he promised dip under water, not wated under a dipper.

Edited January 24, 2004 by Truth

[Paladin D]

The term Catholic, was first seen (that we have on record) in 110AD, which refered to the current Church at that time... what does that tell you?

Just because the Early Christian Church didn't have flashy garments, huge cathedrals, altar servants, and so forth... does that mean it wasn't the Catholic Church? The Church was suffering under persecution!

And what historical proof, do you conclude that the Early Church was not the Catholic Church? I find your logic disturbing.

[Confessionator741]

Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus.

Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church.

(Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)

?

If you are a Lutheran - Martin Luther ex-monk of the Catholic Church founded your religion, in 1517.

If you are Anabaptists - Nicholas Storch, a weaver (d. 1525) and Thomas Münzer, a Lutheran preacher (c. 1490-1525), together with the other self-styled "Prophets of Zwickau" started your sect in Saxony, Germany in 1521.

If you belong to the Church of England - King Henry VIII founded your religion in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to re-marry.

If you are Presbyterian - John Knox who studied under Luther started your church in Scotland, in the year 1560.

If you are a Congregationalist - your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian - your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England, founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Mennonites or Amish - The Mennonites are named after Menno Simons Founded in the 16th century. Amish began as a split-off sect of the Swiss Mennonites during the late 17th century your founder is Jacob Amman.

If you are a Baptist - you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, launched in Amsterdam in 1606.

If you are the Dutch Reformed Church - you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in N.Y. in 1628.

If you are a Methodist - your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are Unitarian - Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are Mormon (Latter Day Saints) - Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y. in 1829.

If you are Church of Christ - The New Light Christian Church, led by former Presbyterian minister Barron Warren Stone; and the Reformed Baptist, led by Alexander (who also established the Disciples of Christ), also a former Presbyterian. Combined their churches into one in 1836 and called it Church of Christ

If you are Seventh Day Adventist - Ellen G. White founded your religion 1844, though she was a follower of one William Miller of New York, who propounded much of what Mrs. White later adopted for her religion.

If you worship with the Salvation Army - your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are Christian Scientist - Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy founded your religion in 1879.

If you are Jehovah’s Witness - T. Russell (1852- 1916) founded your movement. As a teenager he rejected his Presbyterian roots, joined a more liberal Congregational Church, then left this group as well. He denied the deity of Christ and the biblical teachings on hell and eternal punishment. Russell had no formal Bible training.

If you are Aglipayan – your church is founded by Gregorio Aglipay a priest, he was excommunicated in 1902 and took his followers from the Roman Catholic Church to found the Philippines Independent Church commonly known as Aglipayan..

If you are an Iglesia ni Christo - Felix Manalo instituted your sect in the Philippines in 1914. He denied the deity of Christ.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," "Pentecostal Gospel." "Holiness Church," "Pilgrim Holiness Church," your religion is one of thousands of new sects founded by men within the past century.

If your Non Denominational - your movement became popular in the 90's to dis-associate yourself to any denomination, but in reality you are another denomination since your an off - off shoot of Protestant Denomination. You accepted this belief "I am my own authority" no church to follow. Jesus promised he would not leave us orphans John 14:18

If you are Born Again Christian - your movement popularized in 1970's. To change the Early Christian tradition of "Baptism" that all Christians are "Born Again" since Christians were Baptized in water & spirit John 3:5

If you are Eastern Orthodox - due to authority issue The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in the year 1054. Read Matthew 16:19, 18: 18 / John 21:15, 16, 17 you share the validity of the 7 Sacraments with Rome.

[Confessionator741]

If you are a Roman Catholic, you know that Jesus Christ the Son of God Acts 2, I Tim. 3:15 founded your religion in the year 33 with Peter as its first Pope Matthew 16:18-19, John 21:15-17 and that it has not changed since that time. Even today, the above-enumerated facts are still undeniable.

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[Confessionator741]

The term Catholic, was first seen (that we have on record) in 110AD, which refered to the current Church at that time... what does that tell you?

Just because the Early Christian Church didn't have flashy garments, huge cathedrals, altar servants, and so forth... does that mean it wasn't the Catholic Church? The Church was suffering under persecution!

And what historical proof, do you conclude that the Early Church was not the Catholic Church? I find your logic disturbing.

I HAVE to agree with you Pal..........

This "kid" (young in the knowledge) has no historical proof, i spent a long time trying to find information as to what he was refering to, and i found none. I kept bringing me back to the "how old is your church?" article....

Im really sorry bud, until you can offer a reasonable amount of evidence...your done.

"not 100 people hate the catholic chruch, they hate what they think is the catholic chruch..." (something like that, Bishop Sheen)

B

[the_rev]

You first have to be baptized to receive what he promised dip under water, not wated under a dipper.

Wow that is funny, a non catholic says you need to be baptized. I wish all the other denominations would get together and ask themselves what do we believe. I mean by that is, our youth group did a lock in, we did a question time, one of the questions was do you need baptism for salvation. And one of my friends who attends this non denominational church said you do not need to be baptised to recieve salation just accepting Christ as your personal Lord and savior.

Wow, I love it how one non denominational church contradicts the other.