Feelings And Emotions And Common Sense

[Dave]

There is the question of "feelings" and "emotions":

Here are some real bonafide reasons why people have chosen one assembly over another:

"The preacher built a fire in me and I was emotionally charged."

I would say that Satan in all his cleverness could build such a fire also. Dont forget that he would give us 99 truths if he could get us to swallow just one lie.

"This one has a better choir, and that lifts me."

It is truth we should be seeking for uplifting, and not a better sounding choir.

"This one has a child care department so we have fewer distractions."

These people completely ignore such verses as Matthew 19:14, "...but Jesus said, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven"."

"I simply felt good."

This is a major problem with our society today. "What feels good for me is all that is important."

"You shall not do as we are now doing; here, everyone does what seems right for himself."

Deuteronomy 12:8

If people had proper understanding of Holy Scripture they would soon realize that worship of GOD is not based on feelings or emotions, but on faith and sacrifice.

All it takes to find the truth is a little common sense, but then, where is common sense today?

[Truth]

There is the question of "feelings" and "emotions":

Here are some real bonafide reasons why people have chosen one assembly over another:

"The preacher built a fire in me and I was emotionally charged."

I would say that Satan in all his cleverness could build such a fire also. Dont forget that he would give us 99 truths if he could get us to swallow just one lie.

"This one has a better choir, and that lifts me."

It is truth we should be seeking for uplifting, and not a better sounding choir.

"This one has a child care department so we have fewer distractions."

These people completely ignore such verses as Matthew 19:14, "...but Jesus said, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven"."

"I simply felt good."

This is a major problem with our society today. "What feels good for me is all that is important."

"You shall not do as we are now doing; here, everyone does what seems right for himself."

Deuteronomy 12:8

If people had proper understanding of Holy Scripture they would soon realize that worship of GOD is not based on feelings or emotions, but on faith and sacrifice.

All it takes to find the truth is a little common sense, but then, where is common sense today?

This sound like what I have been tell you Guy. Common sense tell you that if the CC changed the list below. You have swallow a number of lies from the lips of the CC.

1) The sabbath is on the 7th day of the week not the first day of the week. If it changed who changed it? Because God nor Jesus did.

2) Jesus is the only interceessor 1Tim 2:3-6.

3) Idols, worshipping; any image of heaven or earth made by man.

4) The Communion is for all Christians, if there is one God, Jesus and Holy Spirit, how can we put other conditions on it. How can the CC say non-Catholic can't take communion in there church or them in a non-Catholic church.

5) In Rev go is talking to the Church, what are the names of the seven churches he is talking to and did they come before or after the CC.

6) Where was people the pope?

7) If Peter was the pope, than what was the other 11?

8) What is the Greek for baptize and what does it mean?

9) Who commanded us to be baptize? And why?

10) If Peter build the CC what church did Paul and the other build?

11) Is tradition equal to scripture? Prov 14:16, 15:2

common sense, if the answers are not backed by scripture it not true.

[Circle_Master]

amen. emotion and experience is always the worst way to interpret Scripture.

[Dave]

This sound like what I have been tell you Guy. Common sense tell you that if the CC changed the list below. You have swallow a number of lies from the lips of the CC.

1) The sabbath is on the 7th day of the week not the first day of the week. If it changed who changed it? Because God nor Jesus did.

2) Jesus is the only interceessor 1Tim 2:3-6.

3) Idols, worshipping; any image of heaven or earth made by man.

4) The Communion is for all Christians, if there is one God, Jesus and Holy Spirit, how can we put other conditions on it. How can the CC say non-Catholic can't take communion in there church or them in a non-Catholic church.

5) In Rev go is talking to the Church, what are the names of the seven churches he is talking to and did they come before or after the CC.

6) Where was people the pope?

7) If Peter was the pope, than what was the other 11?

8) What is the Greek for baptize and what does it mean?

9) Who commanded us to be baptize? And why?

10) If Peter build the CC what church did Paul and the other build?

11) Is tradition equal to scripture? Prov 14:16, 15:2

common sense, if the answers are not backed by scripture it not true.

Truth, please read other threads on the subjects you've brought up, and I mean READ what is said! No more spouting the same old b.s. about the Catholic Church!

[Bruce S]

"I was BORN into...."

The WORST REASON alive for being -IN- any denomination....

Any.

Edited January 26, 2004 by Bruce S

[Paladin D]

Out of all the sects in Christianity, the Catholic Church is not one that relies on mere emotion (so we are the last ones to be blamed). Thats why many Protestant friends I talk to (and others I hear over the net), assume the Catholic Church is spiritually dead.

They don't see Catholics jumping up and down, crying and wailing outloud, having the preacher grasping the microphone and yelling his guts out. The Catholic Church is not against emotion at all, but the Holy Spirit is not an "emotion tickiler".

[Bruce S]

Out of all the sects in Christianity, the Catholic Church is not one that relies on mere emotion (so we are the last ones to be blamed). Thats why many Protestant friends I talk to (and others I hear over the net), assume the Catholic Church is spiritually dead.

It is DEAD. Sorry. High Mass may be beautiful, classic, a work of art.

Contrast it to a Pentecostal gathering...

The Pentecosts NEED some more structure, the Catholics need more emotion in church.

They don't see Catholics jumping up and down, crying and wailing outloud, having the preacher grasping the microphone and yelling his guts out. The Catholic Church is not against emotion at all, but the Holy Spirit is not an "emotion tickiler".

I'm ONLY talking worship style here, I know that Catholics really DO get all carried away, tears, shaking, emotional. It is usually not in a Mass, and sadly, to Mary or the Saints, at shrines, or devotionals. Your statement above is nonsense, you have obviously never been to Fatima or Lourdes.

That is why I do BOTH. Take from the Catholic Church the BEST, from the Pentecostals the BEST, from the Presbyterians the BEST, from the Messianic Jews...the BEST.

And the end result, may be confusing, but MAN OH MAN, it is honestly so much richer than those that plant their butts in one pew and with PRIDE think they have it all.

Edited January 27, 2004 by Bruce S

[Paladin D]

It is DEAD. Sorry. High Mass may be beautiful, classic, a work of art.

At first, that's what you said. Then...

And the end result, may be confusing, but MAN OH MAN, it is honestly so much richer than those that plant their butts in one pew and with PRIDE think they have it all.

(if you're refering to the Mass) ...does anyone see the irony in Bruce's statement?

I can't understand how you come to the conclusion, that the Mass is dead.

[Bruce S]

The "it" refers to Christianity.

IT.... is NOT Roman Catholicsm. That is ONE GROUP with too much pride for God to be pleased ....

Jesus did one thing over and over, condemned religous bigotry, so did Paul.

It is a speciality of mine now, contrasting Paul, talking about Jewish bigotry, their total belief that THEY were the "chosen people" and God was on THEIR SIDE, that jumps out to me loudly, clearly, and with utter clairity on these Catholic sites.

You are EXACTLY what Jesus and Paul condemned. So caught up in YOU BEING "RIGHT" that you parallel Galations, Romans, to an extent that honest makes me wonder if you have supplanted in a mystical sense what Paul so CLEARLY saw as man's biggest flaw.

God is grace. God is love. God is a relationship.

God is NOT A DENOMINATION, and there are ONLY "chosen people" who fight against EXCLUSION and substituting man made doctrine, rules, rites, ritual, and want to segregate from others on the basis of purity.

Pray on it. I have, you have NO idea how long, over a year now, on JUST THIS ONE ISSUE.

Edited January 27, 2004 by Bruce S

[Paladin D]

The "it" refers to Christianity.

IT.... is NOT Roman Catholicsm. That is ONE GROUP with too much pride for God to be pleased ....

Jesus did one thing over and over, condemned religous bigotry, so did Paul.

It is a speciality of mine now, contrasting Paul, talking about Jewish bigotry, their total belief that THEY were the "chosen people" and God was on THEIR SIDE, that jumps out to me loudly, clearly, and with utter clairity on these Catholic sites.

You are EXACTLY what Jesus and Paul condemned. So caught up in YOU BEING "RIGHT" that you parallel Galations, Romans, to an extent that honest makes me wonder if you have supplanted in a mystical sense what Paul so CLEARLY saw as man's biggest flaw.

God is grace. God is love. God is a relationship.

Jesus condemn the Jewish Pharisees because they distorted the truth, Catholicism doesn't do such things (even though you persist that it does). To debate on these issues here, would not be wise (since there are many threads on them).

I really enjoy how you blindly assume that all (or most) Catholics don't have a relationship with Christ, or somehow are consumed in unholy/ungodly traditions and customs.

Besides, aren't you "being caught up" on being right? Wouldn't you fit in the same category like us, supposely? I'm not a prideful person, I had to alter my beliefs that I grew up with, so they would be truthful to God's Word. It was more of a pride buster for me. One may be proud of being Catholic, just as one is proud of being American (or Christian for that matter).

God is NOT A DENOMINATION, and there are ONLY "chosen people" who fight against EXCLUSION and substituting man made doctrine, rules, rites, ritual, and want to segregate from others on the basis of purity.

Pray on it. I have, you have NO idea how long, over a year now, on JUST THIS ONE ISSUE.

Catholicism is not a denomination, period.

And yes, I have prayed... since then, I'm now Catholic.

[Bruce S]

I really enjoy how you blindly assume that all (or most) Catholics don't have a relationship with Christ, or somehow are consumed in unholy/ungodly traditions and customs.

If you have consistantly paid attention to my ramblings...

You would notice I fight against the SYSTEM and the POWER STRUCTURE pretending to be God's church... NOT THE LAITY.

Jesus had sandals, and dusty feet. Wrapping money and personal power, temporal, or with fear is not part of the plan. The fear shoud be of the Lord, not of other denominations, practice mistakes, missing some magic words, some divine MAN ... between you and God.

Ever.

The laity in the Catholic Church are like fearful lambs, they trust, oh, how they TRUST the leadership.

Moreso than any other mainline denomination.

So, we examine the issues, since the laity NEVER DARES to. The "Lockstep mentality" on this site is freaky actually, like dealing with robots on some days.

Edited January 27, 2004 by Bruce S

[Paladin D]

If you have consistantly paid attention to my ramblings...

You would notice I fight against the SYSTEM and the POWER STRUCTURE pretending to be God's church... NOT THE LAITY.

Ever.

I'm sorry you feel that way. :mellow:

The laity in the Catholic Church are like fearful lambs, they trust, oh, how they TRUST the leadership.

Moreso than any other mainline denomination.

So, we examine the issues, since the laity NEVER DARES to. The "Lockstep mentality" on this site is freaky actually, like dealing with robots on some days.

We do not fear our leadership.

[Bruce S]

We do not fear our leadership.

As a Christian move on my part.

I will refrain from the obvious "cheap shot" that the OLD ME, would have jumped on.

I did pray on this one, thank you God for sticking a sock in my mouth. :sadder: :blink:

[Aloysius]

"I was BORN into...."

The WORST REASON alive for being -IN- any denomination....

Any.

okay, that's not any Catholics reason.

a Catholic reason for bein Catholic is because they were BAPTIZED into it! :cool: