Priest Stopping

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1204129' date='Feb 24 2007, 03:09 PM']Wait...so a few years back, people in our parish would make the bread for Mass. I think it had honey in it. Does this mean that the consecration was not vaild and we didn't actually have the Eucharist for like a year?[/quote]
Sugar is often added to the leavened bread of the Eucharist (which is called [i]prosphora[/i]) in the Eastern Churches (both Catholic and Orthodox).

[jeffpugh]

This is just an uninformed opinion, but I think that might be a different case seeing it is a regular ingredient for bread. Honey is not, though it goes good on toast

[Jaime]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1204129' date='Feb 24 2007, 05:09 PM']Wait...so a few years back, people in our parish would make the bread for Mass. I think it had honey in it. Does this mean that the consecration was not vaild and we didn't actually have the Eucharist for like a year?[/quote]


I'd talk to your priest about it. But if it had honey, it was invalidated

[MissScripture]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1204212' date='Feb 24 2007, 08:53 PM']I'd talk to your priest about it. But if it had honey, it was invalidated[/quote]
It's a different priest now...

[dandy777]

what if a person is allergic to any ingredients in the host? does he/she have to abstain from receiving communion?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='dandy777' post='1204359' date='Feb 25 2007, 09:58 AM']what if a person is allergic to any ingredients in the host? does he/she have to abstain from receiving communion?[/quote]

If a man be allergic to the species of wheaten bread, then he may recieve the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of God the Son under the species of wine rather than under the species of bread.

[Didymus]

so basically what you are saying is is that man's own intentions can invalidate the presence of Christ in the Eucharist?

[hyperdulia again]

In defense of the Host I would kill.

[Autumn Dusk]

Gessh, most Catholics don't believe in Real Presence and they intend to receive and then go watch football and swear. Don't worry I'll go get my gun.

[bonoducchi]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1204362' date='Feb 25 2007, 12:27 PM']If a man be allergic to the species of wheaten bread, then he may recieve the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of God the Son under the species of wine rather than under the species of bread.[/quote]

What about a woman?

[Autumn Dusk]

[quote name='VaticanIILiturgist' post='1402862' date='Oct 15 2007, 02:05 AM']What about a woman?[/quote]


I think that the rules apply for women, too, although come to think of it the church may have put extra rules on women just for kicks

[kateri05]

ha


ha

[XIX]

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1402859' date='Oct 15 2007, 01:55 AM']Gessh, most Catholics don't believe in Real Presence and they intend to receive and then go watch football and swear. Don't worry I'll go get my gun.[/quote]
Don't tase me, bro!

(sis?)

[photosynthesis]

Before Jesus died for us, He told Peter not to kill the guards who were about to take Him away. At the same time, Peter was too much of a coward to follow Jesus to Golgotha. He was willing to kill, but he wasn't willing to die. This is only my simple understanding of the subject, but the Eucharist is a re-presentation of the Passion, and what Jesus asked of Peter is probably what he would ask of us.

[quote name='Didymus' post='1202927' date='Feb 23 2007, 01:33 AM']I dont mean to let this go into a tangent, but where do we draw the line on that? I've heard priests tell me they never forget to use the pall (or paten, I cant remember) at Mass because they once had to consume a fly that fell into the chalice at some point during the Liturgy. Where does the church draw the line as to contents that invalidate the sacrament? Am I safe to assume it has to do with intention?[/quote]
You can't really prevent stuff like that from happening. But if it does happen, I'd think that you should consume the fly. One of my good friends was a Eucharistic Minister at her church, and they were using a paper napkin to wipe the chalice. They used to throw the napkin in the garbage afterwards, so she always made it a point to eat the napkin.

[quote name='Theoketos' post='1203394' date='Feb 23 2007, 04:51 PM']What would make the matter invalid is if enough of a particular substance (such as yeast) were added to the beard or wine to no longer make it bread of wine. I think that this is implied with your quote later on which I did not cite.[/quote]


I went to a Melkite church once, and they used leavened bread that tasted like it came from a Portuguese bakery. It was a little sweet. Does that apply to the Eastern churches?

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='hyperdulia again' post='1402700' date='Oct 15 2007, 12:13 AM']In defense of the Host I would kill.[/quote]

You and six others, apparently. Thankfully, this is a very rare situation, not because there aren't people seeking to desecrate the Eucharist, but because they don't go confronting a priest face-to-face to get it. Far easier to find a parish that is lax on watching people consume the host, where you can receive it in the hand and slip away without eating it (you learn this stuff from reading about satanic worship).

Still, murder is unjustifiable. If we kill, we have taken justice into our own hands. Someone in that situation could find other means to protect the Eucharist (like calling police, since it is a crime). More importantly, we never know when the grace of God is working in someone's heart, especially in the midst of committing the worst sins. Besides, is desecration of the Eucharist a worse sin than the Crucifixion?

[quote name='Autumn Dusk' post='1402859' date='Oct 15 2007, 01:55 AM']Gessh, most Catholics don't believe in Real Presence and they intend to receive and then go watch football and swear. Don't worry I'll go get my gun.[/quote]

What "most Catholics" do or believe should have no bearing on how we're going to live our lives.