dairygirl4u2c Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 ty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandy777 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Kill? Why should a priest kill anyone? Did Jesus order Peter to kill the Jewish soldiers during his arrest in Gethsemane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Dunno why one would have to be killded...Seems to me that the simplest method would be to consume the consecrated host oneself... Anyhoo....seriously thinking of responding to these polls with the most outlandish answer when the poll becomes absurd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Yes, you are protecting Christ, yes it is the true body and blood of christ, but the person cannot kill Christ again. To take someone's life in order to protect the Eucharist would, as Dandy said, be ridiculous. Jesus never commanded anyone to kill to defend him. If one is killed trying to consume the Eucharist to protect It, that is another matter, but to kill to protect the True Presence?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary-Kathryn Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1200019' date='Feb 18 2007, 09:48 PM']ty[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1200863' date='Feb 19 2007, 07:09 PM']Yes, you are protecting Christ, yes it is the true body and blood of christ, but the person cannot kill Christ again. To take someone's life in order to protect the Eucharist would, as Dandy said, be ridiculous. Jesus never commanded anyone to kill to defend him. If one is killed trying to consume the Eucharist to protect It, that is another matter, but to kill to protect the True Presence?! [/quote] Yes, I'd agree. You shouldn't kill to defend the Eucharist, but I think we should be willing to die to save it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1200019' date='Feb 19 2007, 12:18 AM']ty[/quote] I need to learn what 'ty' means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='Paddington' post='1201239' date='Feb 20 2007, 02:56 AM']I need to learn what 'ty' means. [/quote] Thank you. Who's on first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RezaMikhaeil Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Being that I'm Coptic, I'm going to speak from Coptic tradition on this matter. In the Coptic Church, the Priest prays for the Eucharist with his back turned to the congregation, while the Deacon is facing the congregation. The purpose of this, is that if someone threatening the sacraments came through the door, the deacon would notice and the Priest would go to those people and attempt to stall them, while the Deacon would take the Sacraments and consume [eat and drink] them under the Sacramental Table. This piece of tradition was developed after St. Mark [that founded the Coptic Church and wrote the Gospel according to St. Mark] was martyred. Reza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandy777 Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Ah! That's interesting. I never knew about that. What if someone poisons the wine before it is placed in the chalice and the priest gets to know this during Mass, what should the priest do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 [quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1201260' date='Feb 20 2007, 02:46 AM']Being that I'm Coptic, I'm going to speak from Coptic tradition on this matter. In the Coptic Church, the Priest prays for the Eucharist with his back turned to the congregation, while the Deacon is facing the congregation. The purpose of this, is that if someone threatening the sacraments came through the door, the deacon would notice and the Priest would go to those people and attempt to stall them, while the Deacon would take the Sacraments and consume [eat and drink] them under the Sacramental Table. This piece of tradition was developed after St. Mark [that founded the Coptic Church and wrote the Gospel according to St. Mark] was martyred. Reza[/quote] Our theology prof. told us that in the early church, no one outside of the members of the congregation were allowed at Mass and they basically had what he compared to bouncers to make sure no one came in who wasn't allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RezaMikhaeil Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1201390' date='Feb 20 2007, 08:22 AM']Our theology prof. told us that in the early church, no one outside of the members of the congregation were allowed at Mass and they basically had what he compared to bouncers to make sure no one came in who wasn't allowed.[/quote] That's true, originally nobody that wasn't baptized would be allowed to see the Liturgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 [quote name='dandy777' post='1201272' date='Feb 20 2007, 03:15 AM']Ah! That's interesting. I never knew about that. What if someone poisons the wine before it is placed in the chalice and the priest gets to know this during Mass, what should the priest do?[/quote] Pre-Consecration the priest would stop the Mass and despose of the wine respectfully, I would think. Post-Consecration.... I have no idea.... you are excommunicated if you pour the Precious Blood down the sacrarium... so I have no clue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 If any ingredients are added prior to consecration (poison or otherwise) it invalidates the consecration. Transubstantiation does not take place. The wine can be disposed of any way the priest sees fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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