Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I'm dealing with this individual who's pretty much bashing the First Lady cause she put up Harry Potter ornaments on their Christmas tree. Then he linked me to a website that totally bashing the series. Why can't people just accept that some books are just that, books? And it's a book that makes you use your imagination? I say that these people bashing Harry Potter are just like that one guy that claimed that the purple Tele-tubby was guy! What do you think?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 i like them. They are just imagination books. Many do not like it but they are oK with Lord of the rings. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted January 24, 2004 Author Share Posted January 24, 2004 The main arguments that are used are: 1. There are witches and wizards 2. They deal with the undead 3. it's occultet I'm sorry, but two out of those three are in the Lord of the Rings series. 1. Gandalf 2. ORcs Why can't people just leave people alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Dont forget the talking trees. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 (edited) Ok, I'm trying to stay out of this one because it's been argued to death here at Phatmass (and I, for one, was kinda hoping the whole topic would die and go away), but the big difference is that Lord of the Rings is pure fantasy meaning it takes place in a world where the only similiarities are that there are men and trees and dirt and mountains just like our world. (BTW, Orcs are not "undead", they are monsters. The undead warriors in ROTK were undead.) Harry Potter's world, while fantasical at times, is meant to be very much the world we live in today. The occult references made in Harry Potter are REAL ones. There are pentacles in use in Harry Potter that are in use in REAL LIFE. There are many, many references to actual occult things in Harry Potter. The danger is that some children, many children, cannot truly separate the fiction from reality. These are the same children who will tell you they know it's just a story. And they truly know it's just a story but the real danger is being exposed to those occult things in a positive way. What I mean by this is these children - while knowing it was just a story from their childhood - may very well grow up believing the occult things to be benign or innocent - because, after all, Harry Potter used them to do good... Are there "good" witches? The answer to that is there are good people who are mis-informed and are playing with forces they cannot understand. To underestimate the power of these forces is to be a fool. Personally I find the Harry Potter books offensive on a purely literate level. They are poorly written in an off-hand, lacsidaisical style that is a trashy comment on modern literature. Younger children (the kind that these books are aimed at) should not be reading them purely from the point of view that they are poor examples of literature. I found the movies to be much less offensive. Edited January 24, 2004 by Kilroy the Ninja Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 I appreciate Harry Potter as literature. And I love the fact that the author had a chance to go from rags to riches. I'm glad it didn't get written by an already rich person. I would however shy away from letting my children read it until they are at least 12 and clearly know the difference between fantasy and reality, and they understand the underlying sin in the Harry Potter series. I know it is possible the series could strike up an interest in the occult in a young one, as innocent as it might be, but we are much better off not dabbling in the evil ones territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary's Knight, La Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 (edited) the wizards in LotR weren't actually human though you'd really have to read the silmarillion to know that they would be something akin to angels one of the "lower" choirs Edited January 24, 2004 by Mary's Knight, La Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Catholics who have a problem with Harry Potter are the same Catholics who have a problem with drinking, and cussing, and talking about scrunching or folding . . . in other words, those who have been strongly influenced by a Protestant culture that suggests the devil is creeping around every corner and we must resist any thing that isn't straight from the gospels . . . Oh, and also those who are confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Catholics who have a problem with Harry Potter are the same Catholics who have a problem with drinking, and cussing, and talking about scrunching or folding . . . in other words, those who have been strongly influenced by a Protestant culture that suggests the devil is creeping around every corner and we must resist any thing that isn't straight from the gospels . . . Oh, and also those who are confused. i don't agree. i don't have a problem with talking about scrunching/folding, i like cussing, i like to drink and gamble occasionally. i just think parents should be a little leery of letting their younger children read Harry Potter. Older children, i don't know if i'd be so concerned. Oh, and the writing style is dreadful. <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 Sorry BLAZEr, but I believe you're wrong. I'm not against drinking or gambling (as long as it's within reason), and I don't mind cussing (even though it isn't the best thing). Burn Harry Potter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Catholics who have a problem with Harry Potter are the same Catholics who have a problem with drinking, and cussing, and talking about scrunching or folding . . . in other words, those who have been strongly influenced by a Protestant culture that suggests the devil is creeping around every corner and we must resist any thing that isn't straight from the gospels . . . Oh, and also those who are confused. Blazer I take personal offense to your post. I tend to cuss like a sailor when I'm mad and I'll drink most people under the table when I have no responsibilities to attend to (like when the child is under the care of someone else). The scrunching/folding thing was disgusting on a whole new level but if you want to talk about your excrement habits - go right ahead. I don't believe that everything needs to be straight from the gospels - in fact I question that too much for my own good. EVIL IS LURKING AROUND EVERY CORNER AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEN YOU ARE A FOOL. And I seriously doubt I could be confused about any of this considering my past, but thanks for implying so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 EVIL IS LURKING AROUND EVERY CORNER AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEN YOU ARE A FOOL. Word. A Catholic Apologist, Patrick Madrid even warned us of the danger of Harry Potter. In fact, most of society has become desensitized to evil itself. My fave Kilroy posting: My new favorite Simpson's quote: Ned Flanders, reading a Harry Potter book to his kids: "And Harry Potter and all his friends died and went to Hell for practicing witchcraft. The end!" Kids in unison: "YAAAAAAYYYY!!!" Ned tosses the Harry Potter book in the fire. As it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Word. A Catholic Apologist, Patrick Madrid even warned us of the danger of Harry Potter. In fact, most of society has become desensitized to evil itself. My fave Kilroy posting: i love your post! ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Catholics who have a problem with Harry Potter are the same Catholics who have a problem with drinking, and cussing, and talking about scrunching or folding . . . in other words, those who have been strongly influenced by a Protestant culture that suggests the devil is creeping around every corner and we must resist any thing that isn't straight from the gospels . . . Oh, and also those who are confused. hmm...thats not how i see it. I see it as catholics who knows and recognizes the potential and danger of something when it is taken lightly or underestimated, and acknowledges them and i learned about harry potter from a catholic apologist, who is nothing at all protestant but who has studied in depth the situation and has shared his concern as a defender of the faith and catholic father of eleven God bless, +JMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I've sat with these people as well, discussed this book as well. In fact I sat and listened to three philosophers debate these Anti-Potter catholics for well nigh an hour. (In a bar, quite frankly with cussing now and then) I still contend that the fear of Harry Potter is a particularly Protestant phenomena. The people who are opposed to harry can usually be found in two quarters: the Latin Mass People and the Charismatics/Marian Apparition crowds . . . I am not saying that "Protestants" oppose Harry Potter and these Catholics are like Protestants in their theology. I am saying that we are a product of our culture and the dominant religious culture in our Country has been Protestantism, and quite frankly most Catholics act more like Protestants than they do like Catholics. In fact, the 99% of Apologetics I've read is not "Catholic" in any sense of the word. Face it, we act in the Church like Protestants. We view the Church like Protestants. We are protestant Catholics. Has there been a great hulla-baloo in Italy over Harry Potter? Gabriel Amorth is the only Italian I've heard condemn it and quite frankly he condemns everything as Satanic, including Protestant versions of the Bible. For every Harry Potter is evil article you can bring up, we can bring one that demonstrates Harry isn't a problem. Quite frankly, the whole thing is best left to Parent's discernment. In fact, that would be the real Catholic position . . . to allow a family to decide what its children will and will not read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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