Didymus Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 I'm pretty sure Christ retained both natures even after the Ascension. I could be wrong, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1210423' date='Mar 8 2007, 02:57 PM']altar girls are sacreligeous[/quote] no, that is just not true, unless you are seeing as your own version of sacrilege. It was given permission. Desecration is sacrilege; serving Our Lord is not sacrilege. To say so sounds alot like the attitude of the Pharisees and Scribes, because it misplaces the purpose and reason as to why we do what we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophette Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 (edited) [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1210423' date='Mar 8 2007, 02:57 PM']altar girls are sacreligeous[/quote] Thank you for yet another brilliant statement backed up with real logic. I really love this "Boys get to do so and so... girls cant... yeah if girls do its a sin..." Seriously, I rather hear from the men who have actually formally studied theology, like Aloysius Perhaps God gave men all of these jobs so that they could learn to be charitable about it and not lord it over other people because of their "male ego". It is a SERVICE to the people of God to be an altar server, deacon, priest, lector, bishop... pope. I knew a cantor once who bragged about leading the church and said he liked it when he was the only one cantoring so that he could be the one praying for the people. He said it was because had a better voice and thought that his prayers were more acceptable to God. He also forgot that his role was one of service. Edited March 9, 2007 by philosobrat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 [quote name='iggyjoan' post='1210575' date='Mar 8 2007, 06:29 PM']seriously? why would he still want to be MAN when he could be fully... HIM?[/quote] [quote][b]The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X:[/b] 1 Q. What is taught in the Third Article: Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary? A. The Third Article of the Creed teaches that by the operation of the Holy Ghost the Son of God took a body and soul like ours, in the chaste womb of the Virgin Mary, and that He was born of that Virgin. 2 Q. Did the Father and the Son also take part in forming the body and creating the soul of Jesus Christ? A. Yes, the whole Three divine Persons co-operated in forming the body and in creating the soul of Jesus Christ. 3 Q. Why then is it simply said: He was conceived by the Holy Ghost? A. It is simply said: He was conceived by the Holy Ghost, because the Incarnation of the Son of God is a work of goodness and love, and the works of goodness and love are attributed to the Holy Ghost. 4 Q. In becoming man did the Son of God cease to be God? A. No, the Son of God became man without ceasing to be God. 5 Q. Jesus Christ, then, is God and man at the same time? A. Yes, the incarnate Son of God, that is, Jesus Christ, is both God and man, perfect God and perfect man. 6 Q. Are there, then, two natures in Jesus Christ? A. Yes, in Jesus Christ, who is both God and man, there are two natures, the divine and the human. 7 Q. In Jesus Christ are there also two Persons, the divine and the human? A. No, in the Son of God made man there is only one Person, namely, the divine. 8 Q. How many wills are there in Jesus Christ? A. In Jesus Christ there are two wills, the one divine, the other human. 9 Q. Did Jesus Christ possess free will? A. Yes, Jesus Christ possessed free will, but He could not do evil, since to be able to do evil is a defect, and not a perfection, of liberty. 10 Q. Are the Son of God and the Son of Mary one and the same Person? A. Yes, the Son of God and the Son of Mary are one and the same Person, that is, Jesus Christ, true God and true man. [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM[/url][/quote] [quote][b]The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X:[/b] 1 Q. What are we taught in the Sixth Article: He ascended into heaven, sitteth at the right hand of God, the Father Almighty? A. The Sixth Article of the Creed teaches us that Jesus Christ, forty days after His resurrection, ascended of Himself into heaven in the sight of His Apostles; and that while as God He was equal to His Father in glory, as man He has been raised above all the Angels and Saints, and constituted Lord of all things. 2 Q. Why did Jesus Christ remain forty days on earth after His resurrection before ascending into heaven? A. After His resurrection Jesus Christ remained forty days on earth before ascending into heaven, to prove by several apparitions that He was truly risen, to instruct the Apostles still further, and to confirm them in the truths of faith. 3 Q. Why did Jesus Christ ascend into heaven? A. Jesus Christ ascended into heaven: (1) To take possession of the Kingdom He had merited by His death; (2) To prepare the place of our glory, and to be our Mediator and Advocate with the Father, (3) To send the Holy Ghost upon His Apostles. 4 Q. Why is it said of Jesus Christ that He ascended, and of His Most Holy Mother that she was assumed, into heaven? A. It is said of Jesus Christ that He ascended into heaven, and of His Most Holy Mother that she was assumed, because, Jesus Christ, being Man-God, ascended into heaven by His own power; but His Mother, being a creature, even though the greatest of all creatures, was taken up into heaven by the power of God. 5 Q. Explain the words: Sitteth at the right hand of Cod, the Father Almighty. A. The word sitteth signifies the peaceful possession which Jesus Christ has of His glory; and the words: At the right hand of God, the Father Almighty, denote that He has a place of honour above all creatures. [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/CATECHSM/PIUSXCAT.HTM[/url][/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 [quote name='iggyjoan' post='1210575' date='Mar 8 2007, 07:29 PM']seriously? why would he still want to be MAN when he could be fully... HIM?[/quote] to simplify More's post of rediculous length, Christ being fully himself would actually be both God and man because Christ fully of Himself was of both natures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggyjoan Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotusTuusMaria Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 [center]J.M.J.[/center] haha. This topic made me smile. And a couple other things you said as well made me kind of laugh. Anyway, I agree. In Jesus and Mary, Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josie07 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 [quote name='pyranima' post='1191384' date='Feb 11 2007, 03:27 AM']part of this is a rant the other part is to get the opinion of others. , what is the purpose of dating. most people will say its to go out and have a good time, this would be wrong (this idea of what dating is also explains why our society is so screwed up).[/quote] OK first off.. Your thinking is screwed up.. Dating is to have a good time, as well as to have a partner for life. You make marriage sound like a business deal, like there is no fun involved at all.. [quote name='pyranima' post='1191384' date='Feb 11 2007, 03:27 AM']every time you serve at Holy Mass as an alter boy you are on a date a date with Christ a date with God the Father a Date with the Holy Spirit and a Date with the Church[/quote] I don't agree with that way of thinking.. just because you are an alter server does not and I repeat DOES NOT mean that you are "dating Christ" That's crazy. Many of my friends are alter servers and they have no intention on being in religous life.. Hell my Dad was an alter server. His dad was an alter server, and so on.. They did not get into the religous life.. and weren't planning on it. DId you come up with this "Theory" on your own... cuz it sounds pretty [mod]Watch language please. --Era Might[/mod] [quote name='pyranima' post='1191384' date='Feb 11 2007, 03:27 AM']...is suppose to help one discern for the PRIESTHOOD NOT religious life though part of the discernment of an alter boy is if he is called to be married or to be a religious he is dating the church by being an alter server. to promote alter girls is to promote a perverse lesbianism withing the Church.[/quote] this doesn't hold any water to it.. Girls should be able to be alter servers.. if they want to (Even if I dislike one in particular.. ) It's bull about it being lesbianism because alter serving isn't dating in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggyjoan Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 *claps hands loudly and whistles* couldnt have said it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinginForHim Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 The claim to "lesbianism" is a little extreme... And it seems to me that this argument is getting nowhere...we're kind of just repeating the same information back and forth and calling it a debate. Though this was a great opportunity for me to brush up on some church documents -- thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 even if there were an argument against the recent Holy Father's permission to allow girls to serve the altar, it's not even worth it since this would be the least of the worries of the Church. Does anyone really believe that Our Lord favors one of His children over another to serve His priests during the Mass? It's just holding the Sacramentary and carrying a few cruets and candles, etc. for crying out loud! Honestly, you'd think maybe some people could focus more on the fact that so many dont even believe in the Real Presence and that innocent children are being murdered in the womb by the droves. I dont mean to rant or reopen anything. I was just talking abou this with a seminarian friend a while ago, and we were both saying this whole argument (which believe it or not is even popular in the seminaries) is getting absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggyjoan Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 ... i served today at the easter mass.. :.. with 2 other girl servers :... i carried the cross... and the mass went perfectly. excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-I---Love Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 [quote name='philosobrat' post='1210755' date='Mar 9 2007, 12:46 AM']Seriously, I rather hear from the men who have actually formally studied theology, like Aloysius[/quote] When did this occur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 [quote name='Didymus' post='1210653' date='Mar 8 2007, 10:51 PM']I'm pretty sure Christ retained both natures even after the Ascension. I could be wrong, though.[/quote] Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted April 8, 2007 Share Posted April 8, 2007 [quote name='Didymus' post='1234370' date='Apr 8 2007, 12:37 AM']even if there were an argument against the recent Holy Father's permission to allow girls to serve the altar, it's not even worth it since this would be the least of the worries of the Church. Does anyone really believe that Our Lord favors one of His children over another to serve His priests during the Mass? It's just holding the Sacramentary and carrying a few cruets and candles, etc. for crying out loud! Honestly, you'd think maybe some people could focus more on the fact that so many dont even believe in the Real Presence and that innocent children are being murdered in the womb by the droves.[/quote] People are logical in asking the question, however, because the function of the altar server has always been given to boys for good reasons. I'm sure those have been enumerated on this thread already. My point is simply that it is a legitimate concern, and there are very good reasons for holding to having only altar boys (but we are not holier than the pope, of course; I'm not implying that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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