Homophobia

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='maeveangel' post='1196310' date='Feb 15 2007, 06:06 PM']
Sex has more than one purpose. Again, unity...comes to mind as one of them. Sex is more than just uniting organs & reproduction.[/quote]

But reproduction is its [b]main[/b] purpose, and outside True Marriage, sex or sexual acts is fornication. Homosexuals can not and will never reproduce, naturally. Homosexuals still can not and do not have "true sex", rather gratification of the sexual organs. A false unity, forbidden by God.

[quote name='maeveangel' post='1196310' date='Feb 15 2007, 06:06 PM'][b]If true love can only occur in a married, heterosexual couple, then why are some heterosexual couples unhappy? Why are some gay couples very commited & very happy? Yes, I am being flippant. Is the only reason you get married is to have children? (It's beautiful if you are so blessed, but what if you aren't able to conceive?)If you are heterosexually married, i doubt that that was the only reason. Why did you get married? For companionship? For love? So do gay people. i may come back to this...and i will attempt to look at these Scriptures and see how i can reply.But please be patient, it might take awhile! [/b]
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Unhappiness does not mean lack of true love, nor does happiness mean true love. Marriage is offend times not "happy". Yet that does not necessarily effect the true love between the man and woman. And if a Homosexual couple is happy being together that does not make them truly in love with each other. Again God is Love and God forbids such unions, [color="#FF0000"]He loves the persons true[/color], [b]but[/b] [color="#FF0000"]not the union[/color] or the acts there of.

As for a heterosexual couple who marry who "aren't able to conceive" still have a greater chance to conceive, crazy but true. But a Homosexual couple will NEVER be able to conceive, never they can not.

The love in marriage can only exist between one man and one woman. Marriage is only for a man and a woman at least willing to have children, even if it may seem they can not.

God condemns homosexual unions, and the act of homosexuality. Homosexuals seeking union with one another are in great error. There can be no true love, in something that God condemns because God is Love, and disobeying God is counter to God, counter to True Love. Something that is counter to love is not love.

We will find no where in the Holy Scriptures where homosexual unions are blessed, anytime homosexuality is mentioned it is condemned. The question to ask ourselves is, "Do we obey God, or try to place our opinion over His supreme law?"

Edited February 16, 2007 by KnightofChrist

[Anomaly]

[quote name='maeveangel' post='1196310' date='Feb 15 2007, 06:06 PM']
[b]If true love can only occur in a married, heterosexual couple, then why are some heterosexual couples unhappy? Why are some gay couples very commited & very happy? Yes, I am being flippant. Is the only reason you get married is to have children? (It's beautiful if you are so blessed, but what if you aren't able to conceive?)If you are heterosexually married, i doubt that that was the only reason. Why did you get married? For companionship? For love? So do gay people. i may come back to this...and i will attempt to look at these Scriptures and see how i can reply.But please be patient, it might take awhile! [/b]
[b]Thank you again for responding and at least "getting my point"! i understand & know that sex is not the end all, be all...and besides don't even watch TV at home! Much of what is on TV is garbage as far as I am concerned. It is much, much more than that...i believe that i was made this way, purposely...that God created me this way...& that He loves me as i am. It would surprise many of you to know that i am pro-life, that i believe in monogamy...i believe in what the Creed says...i guess my main purpose on here is to try to give this topic a human face & to hear what many of you have to say. And perhaps make some people think.Thanks![/b]
[/quote]Very interesting post. It's very thoughtful and mature.
I'd like to give my opinions to your first paragraph, regarding marriage.
Scripture tells us that God joins two people as one in order to create and continue new life. That's the Adam & Eve thing. You could say that Eve was given a doubting and questioning nature, and she was just celebrating and being who God made her. But that doesn't seem right, does it? Not every aspect of our nature is to be celebrated as 'that's just living how God made me'. SSA is admittedly complicated and not just in-born nature, but other has factors as well.
God joined Adam and Eve and established Marriage as a Union of two distinct types of humans, male and female. Not every single one of us are born to be married or have the personality traits that make marriage easy for us.
Your own admission stated that sex is both unitive and creative. Fundamentally, sex is intended to be acted upon within a Marriage Union and is open to both. Heteros are unhappy when sex is closed to one or the other. If a couple only has hetero sex when they want to have children, that is as fundamentally disorded as only having hetero or homo sex to be 'unitive'. Homo sex by it's fundamental nature, can never be creative. This is also why Roman Catholic Canon restricts Marriage to people who can possibly have children. If one of the couple cannot ever have children, then a Marriage Union cannot take place. Of course, there has to be reasonable exceptions because couples thought to be barren often have children in Scripture. Never has a same sex couple had children in Scripture.
Society often confuse having sex with possesing gender. That is a cultural thing. Why can't two women become intimate friends, live together, and do this without stimulating each other to orgasm? (sorry about being blunt). The answer we live with today, is tied up with societal and cultural answers that are not neccesarrily moral answers.
The RC Church's clergy often paints itself into a corner by dwelling too much on the 'what not to do', instead of explaining the 'why', or what you can do. I have close friends and family who are gay and some are in 'relationships' with people the share mutual care and love for. I defend their right to have a relationship, but I don't believe they have the moral right to have sex or to call their "Same-Sex relationship" a "Marriage". For one, sex is not the end-all or foundation of a relationship, and two, Marriage is fundamenatlly established and intended to create life.
Most 'christians' will deny the right to a 'SS Relationship' because they believe by doing so, they also provide the couple with the right to have sex, which is a different moral issue. On the other hand, establishing a 'SS Relationship' as a civil union, does muddy the waters by possibly establishing a 'union' that is not, and morally should not, be treated as a Marriage. Finding the right answer that balances all the issues is tough and may not be possible.

Edited February 16, 2007 by Anomaly

[maeveangel]

[quote name='peach_cube' post='1196338' date='Feb 15 2007, 06:31 PM']How would I feel if heterosexual marriage was banned? I don't need to even think about it. It would be such a self defeating concept that a society that would do such a thing would not last long at all, at the very least they fail to breed the next generation.


[b]You are absolutely correct in that this will most likely never happen...and i hope and pray that it never does. What i am trying to do is get people (at least in their imaginations) to put themselves in a gay person's shoes. What would it be like if a man and woman could not get married? Not even have a civil union? Just try to think about it...[/b]

Besides the government is not preventing homosexual relationships, they are being denied tax breaks. If the government took away my tax breaks for being married I would still be married. A homosexual couple with tax breaks no matter how it is defined by a government will never be a marriage, because by definition it cannot be.[/quote]

[b]Touche on the tax statement! I know and understand that according to the Church and i guess most governments that "marriage" is defined as between one man and one woman. But a civil union for gay folk acknowledged/accepted by the United States government would give equal rights to us. Taxes included! [/b]