cmotherofpirl Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Criminal code raises fear over EU powers By George Parker in Brussels and Nikki Tait and Michael Peel in London Published: February 7 2007 02:00 | Last updated: February 7 2007 02:00 For eurosceptics, the European Court of Justice ruling in September 2005 was like giving a child a loaded gun. It opened the way for the European Union to designate a new class of pan-European crimes, and how they should be punished. In Britain there was an outcry. In future decisions taken in Brussels could be applied to the British courts, denying parliament the right to determine what constituted a crime and levels of sentencing. Concerns grew when the European Commission interpreted the ruling as being far wider than the case at issue: environmental crime. It produced a list of offences it believed should also be covered by the new rules, including counterfeiting, money laundering and computer hacking. The Commission's decision this week to create common criminal rules for environmental crimes is seen by some as a sign that Brussels will take full advantage of the court ruling to stealthily advance EU powers. Franco Frattini, the EU's justice commissioner, is said by aides to be fully aware that the court has handed him a powerful legal weapon, but it is one that he will use with restraint. "Member states are concerned about sovereignty on this issue and that was made very clear by justice ministers in 2005 after the court ruling," said one of Mr Frattini's aides. He points to the fact that in the 18 months since the ruling, Mr Frattini has only acted to create common criminal standards in two areas: counterfeiting and now environmental crime. "We don't see this as the beginning of a European criminal law or as a mandate to start writing a European criminal code," said a senior EU official. But what is to stop zealous Brussels officials fulfilling the Napoleonic tendencies often ascribed to them by eurosceptics and laying down the law to member states? The first limit was applied by the European court, which said the EU could only use criminal law to achieve its objectives when it could show that "effective, proportionate and dissuasive" penalties were essential to combating serious environmental offences. In many cases where the EU makes law, member states may already apply criminal sanctions across the board. However, in cases - like environmental crime - where some countries only apply civil penalties, the Commission may be tempted to act to bring consistency. Secondly, any attempt to designate such a euro-crime would still have to be approved by a qualified majority of EU member states and the European parliament. Mr Frattini has promised he would only make proposals in this area if he was already sure of widespread support. Last night British lawyers said the 2005 European Court ruling did not appear to have had any significant practical consequences. But the sceptics argue that these are early days. They fear that in time Brussels might forget the court's reminder that as a general rule "neither criminal law nor the rules of criminal procedure fall within the Community's competence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Margaret Thatcher is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 (edited) Well isnt this the whole real point of having the EU in the first place to become one nation, not 12 or so. Of course these states are going to lose independence, they signed it away when they fromed the EU. It is simply taking a little while to see their fruits. The UK, and other EU states are a bit like a chicken with its head cut off, the deed is done, the body simply doesn't know that yet. Edited February 8, 2007 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 Hey, this kind of sounds like our Supreme Court! "Well, we only should be looking at this and interpreting what it says...aw, heck, let's just make it up as we go! This could be fun!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJRod55 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 The European Union still needs to basically decide is Europe to be a Federal Union in which case everything will have a Federal legal system followed by a country wide one and then local (Rather like the USA - Feds, Sate, Local) or is it an economic PACT. There is a difference. The UK still refuses to discard the great pound for the Euro so I do not see them accepting the loss of their legal system. (Although it should be noted that Scotland has a seperate legal system than England) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urib2007 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 This doesn't like a religious post... hmmm... :-) I thought we were only supposed to post topics regarding religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted February 8, 2007 Author Share Posted February 8, 2007 THe courts in EU countries are steadily moving to restrict rligious liberty, so this is someting we should actually be concerned about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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