Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix And Advocate

[God Conquers]

Yo, this is a great post! Thanks! And bump

[Laudate_Dominum]

bump

[phatcatholic]

pham,

i put LaudDom's posts in the Mary entry of the reference section, for safe keeping, so there may not be a reason to bump this any longer.

if anyone wishes to swoon over his greatness, just hop on over to the apologetics board! (hehe, jk LD )

pax christi,

phatcatholic

[Laudate_Dominum]

pham,

i put LaudDom's posts in the Mary entry of the reference section, for safe keeping, so there may not be a reason to bump this any longer.

if anyone wishes to swoon over his greatness, just hop on over to the apologetics board! (hehe, jk LD )

pax christi,

phatcatholic

dude, you're making me blush! There are far better summaries of this doctrine out there. But thank you for the incredible compliment!

[Chiquitunga]

I've been searching for a thread on this in phatmass to post the latest. (Wow, this goes back to 2004!)



[url="http://motherofallpeoples.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1058&Itemid=40"]Cardinal Presents New Petition for the Fifth Marian Dogma to Pope Benedict XVI[/url]

[Laudate_Dominum]

wow, old thread. haha, sweet!

thanks for the info Margaret Clare.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Margaret Clare' post='1294250' date='Jun 12 2007, 09:56 PM']I've been searching for a thread on this in phatmass to post the latest. (Wow, this goes back to 2004!)



[url="http://motherofallpeoples.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1058&Itemid=40"]Cardinal Presents New Petition for the Fifth Marian Dogma to Pope Benedict XVI[/url][/quote]
I doubt a "definition" is going to happen any time soon.

[kafka]

Also there is a problem with saying Mary is the Mediatrix of all Graces. This isnt correct. She is not the Medriatrix of the graces she recieves from Christ.

She should be called Metriatrix of Graces.

[jckinsman]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='103284' date='Jan 23 2004, 04:26 PM']this is infallible doctrine, not yet declared essential to the gospel message (dogma)

great explanations Laudate.
co-redemtrix highlights mary's role as the new Eve. if she had refused to receive the fruit of salvation, humanity would remain unredeemed. [/quote]
AMEN!

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='kafka' post='1294477' date='Jun 13 2007, 11:24 AM']Also there is a problem with saying Mary is the Mediatrix of all Graces. This isnt correct. She is not the Medriatrix of the graces she recieves from Christ.

She should be called Metriatrix of Graces.[/quote]
I have Mariological literature from the early twentieth century which deals with these sorts of issues. Having studied the matter to some extent I don't really see any show stoppers.

[kafka]

Laudate, check this out it is part of my friend's article(who is a Theologian)

Mediator and Mediatrix

“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus….” (1 Tim 2:5). There is only one Mediator between God and Creation: Jesus Christ. Therefore, Mary’s role as Mediatrix cannot be that of a female mediator. The role of Mediatrix is fundamentally different from the role of Mediator, because the role of women in God's plan is fundamentally different from the role of men. The feminine form of the word implies both that the person is female and that the role is a feminine role. The feminine role called “Mediatrix” is to be a helper to the Mediator. Christ mediates between God and humanity; Mary merely assists Christ. Mary participates in Christ’s mediation, but she herself does not mediate. And Mary would not have the role of Mediatrix at all, except that Christ exercised His role as Mediator perfectly in her case.

Mary’s assistance to Christ does not consist in doing what Christ does in a lesser way. Mary does not mediate, not even in a subordinate or auxiliary way. When Christ taught the crowds, Mary did not stand at His side and add her own words to His Word. When Christ led the Apostles, Mary was not second in command. Mary’s role is not a reduced version of Christ’s role. Mary’s role is not a secondary or lesser type of Christ’s role. Mary’s role in God’s plan is fundamentally and radically different than Christ’s role.

As Mediatrix, Mary’s role is not to mediate, not even in a secondary or auxiliary way. Mary’s role as Mediatrix is to help and assist Christ. Mary does not mediate, she merely assists the One who does mediate. In no way and in no sense of the word is Mary a mediator. The role of Mediatrix is merely to assist the one Mediator, Jesus Christ. Mary assists Christ in His work as Mediator, not by doing any mediating herself, not even with and under Christ. Rather, she assists Christ by helping Him when He mediates. The Virgin Mary participates in Christ’s work of mediation, but she does not, in any way whatsoever, act as a mediator herself. Mary does not stand before God to Mediate for the People of God. Instead, she kneels before Christ, in worship of Him, and assists Christ as He stands before the Father as the one Mediator.

How does Mary assist Christ in mediation? First and foremost, through the prayers and sufferings of her whole life. Mary offers her whole life and her whole self to God, as both a prayer and a sacrifice of the highest order, united to the supreme prayer and sacrifice of the life and death of Jesus Christ, for the sake of all those for whom Christ mediates.

[desertwoman]

I think this is one of the main reasons that is keeping me from becoming Catholic.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='kafka' post='1294768' date='Jun 13 2007, 05:56 PM']Laudate, check this out it is part of my friend's article(who is a Theologian)

Mediator and Mediatrix

“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus….” (1 Tim 2:5). There is only one Mediator between God and Creation: Jesus Christ. Therefore, Mary’s role as Mediatrix cannot be that of a female mediator. The role of Mediatrix is fundamentally different from the role of Mediator, because the role of women in God's plan is fundamentally different from the role of men. The feminine form of the word implies both that the person is female and that the role is a feminine role. The feminine role called “Mediatrix” is to be a helper to the Mediator. Christ mediates between God and humanity; Mary merely assists Christ. Mary participates in Christ’s mediation, but she herself does not mediate. And Mary would not have the role of Mediatrix at all, except that Christ exercised His role as Mediator perfectly in her case.

Mary’s assistance to Christ does not consist in doing what Christ does in a lesser way. Mary does not mediate, not even in a subordinate or auxiliary way. When Christ taught the crowds, Mary did not stand at His side and add her own words to His Word. When Christ led the Apostles, Mary was not second in command. Mary’s role is not a reduced version of Christ’s role. Mary’s role is not a secondary or lesser type of Christ’s role. Mary’s role in God’s plan is fundamentally and radically different than Christ’s role.

As Mediatrix, Mary’s role is not to mediate, not even in a secondary or auxiliary way. Mary’s role as Mediatrix is to help and assist Christ. Mary does not mediate, she merely assists the One who does mediate. In no way and in no sense of the word is Mary a mediator. The role of Mediatrix is merely to assist the one Mediator, Jesus Christ. Mary assists Christ in His work as Mediator, not by doing any mediating herself, not even with and under Christ. Rather, she assists Christ by helping Him when He mediates. The Virgin Mary participates in Christ’s work of mediation, but she does not, in any way whatsoever, act as a mediator herself. Mary does not stand before God to Mediate for the People of God. Instead, she kneels before Christ, in worship of Him, and assists Christ as He stands before the Father as the one Mediator.

How does Mary assist Christ in mediation? First and foremost, through the prayers and sufferings of her whole life. Mary offers her whole life and her whole self to God, as both a prayer and a sacrifice of the highest order, united to the supreme prayer and sacrifice of the life and death of Jesus Christ, for the sake of all those for whom Christ mediates.[/quote]
This article snippet strikes me as incorrect and confused. The fundamental difference between Christ's role as Mediator and Our Lady's role as Mediatrix is based on the fact that Christ is God and Mary is a creature, not on some vague idea of masculinity and femininity and the gender of words.

The concept of subordinate mediation is pretty central to Catholic theology apart from questions of Mariology and in fact Our Lady is spoken of as a mediator in this subordinate, created, participatory kind of sense. This is central to the authentic teachings surrounding the doctrine in question.

As far as criticisms go, this article is extremely weak and seems to lack an accurate understanding of the doctrine. The author is correct in saying that "the role of Mediatrix is fundamentally different from the role of Mediator", but the reasons put forth are more or less off track.

[Chiquitunga]

Dr. Miravalle explains Mary, Co-redemptrix - [url="http://airmaria.com/vlog/view.php?sn=1&vp=255&prefx=cordm&plyrnb=1&ttl=Coredemption"]part 1[/url], [url="http://airmaria.com/vlog/view.php?sn=2&vp=256&prefx=cordm&plyrnb=1&ttl=Coredemption"]part 2[/url]

[url="http://motherofallpeoples.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1049&Itemid=40"]Mary Co-redemptrix: A Response to 7 Common Objections[/url]

[url="http://motherofallpeoples.org/"]http://motherofallpeoples.org/[/url]
[url="http://www.voxpopuli.org/"]http://www.voxpopuli.org/[/url]

Edited July 4, 2007 by Margaret Clare