Teaching About The CC

[eilis]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1186851' date='Feb 6 2007, 09:39 PM']
i'm actually undecided whether it is true or not. i live life erring on the side that it is not true.

my only point to remind you is that others who think the CC is wrong would say the CC is then a source of disunity.
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What would their argument for that be?

[Socrates]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1186777' date='Feb 6 2007, 08:53 PM']
the 50000 sects, which is actually probably more given individual people beliefs are like churches... they at least usually can say they think they are right, but not necessarily. the CC insists it's right. if the true church is not suppose to consist of people saying they are necessarily right, the CC is the primary church causing disunity amoung the different churches.
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Afraid I can't follow what you're saying here.

The Catholic Church is the primary cause of disunity among churches??

Are you implying that if the Roman Catholic Church suddenly ceased to exist, the other Christian denominations would all fall into unity and agreement with one another?

I think not.
Look at all the division and contension between liberal and conservative branches of the Anglican/Episcopalian churches over homosexual issues, to use just one example.

Since the Protestant Revolt, churches have continued to divide and split to this very day.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote][b]Matthew 16:18[/b]
"And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
[url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47016.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47016.htm[/url][/quote][quote][b]Apocalypse 21:9 & 14 [/b]
"And there came one of the seven angels, who had the vials full of the seven last plagues, and spoke with me, saying: Come, and I will shew thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb... And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them, the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."
[url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/73021.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/73021.htm[/url][/quote]Our Blessed Lord founds a single Church upon Saint Peter the Apostle according to the four Gospels; listed is the Gospel of Saint Matthew the Apostle ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm13.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintm13.htm[/url] ). Then in the [b]Apocalypse of Saint John the Apostle[/b] ([i]The Book of Revelation[/i]) it says that the Church, the bride of the lamb, is the city having twelve foundations or pillars that are the twelve apostles; written by Saint John the Apostle ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintj13.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintj13.htm[/url] ). Protestants generally object to Saint Peter the Apostle ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp07.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp07.htm[/url] ) being the rock that our Blessed Lord founded His Church because this would increase the argument for the papacy and the Catholic Church claiming succession from Saint Peter the Apostle ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp07.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp07.htm[/url] ). Moreover, because it is in the singular it would show that there is only one Church and the only Church that existed until the Protestant Reformation (more properly called deformation) was the Catholic Church under the Pope.[quote][b]1 Corinthians 3:11[/b]
"For other foundation no man can lay, but that which is laid; which is Christ Jesus."
[url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/53003.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/53003.htm[/url][/quote][quote][b]Ephesians 2:20[/b]
"Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone:"
[url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/56002.htm"]http://www.drbo.org/chapter/56002.htm[/url][/quote]Protestants often argue from Saint Paul the Apostle's ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp12.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp12.htm[/url] ) writing that our Blessed Lord is the only foundation found in the letter to the Corinthians. Although, this does not refer to our Blessed Lord being the rock but rather it refers that "only" our Blessed Lord may found the Church or lay the foundation for the Church, which is the teachings He taught and the founding of His Church upon Saint Peter the Apostle ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp07.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp07.htm[/url] ). How we can show this is true is because Saint Paul the Apostle ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp12.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp12.htm[/url] ) writes to the Ephesians that the Church is built upon the Apostles but that our Blessed Lord is the chief cornerstone.[quote]"See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid." [b]Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans (A.D. 110)[/b]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm[/url][/quote][quote]"Was anything withheld from the knowledge of Peter, who is called "the rock on which the church should be built," who also obtained "the keys of the kingdom of heaven," with the power of 'loosing and binding in heaven and on earth?'" [b]Tertullian, On the Prescription Against the Heretics (A.D. 200)[/b]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0311.htm[/url][/quote]Moreover Saint Ignatius of Antioch ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainti05.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sainti05.htm[/url] ) in "about" the year one hundred and ten (110) he wrote that the Church is Catholic. It is the first of many other statements that are written in this age that the Church is Catholic. Then in about the year two hundred (200) we see that the Christians have a very clear understanding that Saint Peter the Apostle ( [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp07.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintp07.htm[/url] ) is the rock that is referred to in the Scriptures. So the Scriptures and the Early Fathers clearly are referring of the Catholic Church.

Edited February 7, 2007 by Mr.CatholicCat

[Socrates]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1186851' date='Feb 6 2007, 09:39 PM']
i'm actually undecided whether it is true or not. i live life erring on the side that it is not true.
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If you suspect that the Catholic Church is the True Church, then wouldn't it be safer to err on the side that it is?

Edited February 7, 2007 by Socrates

[Groo the Wanderer]

[quote name='catholimaniac' post='1186372' date='Feb 6 2007, 02:01 PM']
The other side of the story:

The Catholic Church is an apostate church whose members consisted of mostly pagans who brought in their idols and rituals and corrupted the true faith. The Catholic Church was founded either by Constantine @303 AD or by Pope Boniface III in 666 AD. (Even anti-Catholics can't seem to agree on a place, person or date)

The True Church was made up of Bible believing Christians who remained hidden from the world and was violently persecuted by the Romish church for centuries until they finally reappeared as today's emergent/simple/organic/NT/house church movement. Thank God, these bible believing Christians kept the true faith alive through two millenia!

What a facsinating story! I can see it now.... [b]HIDDEN CHURCH: THE MOVIE[/b]
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oh my...now where did I put my tinfoil hat....ah yes! Down in the basement......