prose Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Am I crazy? I know that the Vatican said it was okay, but something didn't sit right with me making a vaccine from diploid cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 They have a vaccine for that It's like, what, 3 days of itchyness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I just don't understand the point. Unless she gets older and never gets the chicken pox, I just don't see the reason in getting one. But how is the vaccine made? I just never paid much attention past the part where I think it's stupid that they bothered... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I had the shot when I was little but I agree, chicken pox doesn't kill you. You get a bad case of them once, you rarely ever get it again. Though they might worry about kids, especially boys getting them as adults, for reasons I don't feel are appropriate to discuss on a public forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 (edited) [quote name='CatholicCid' post='1183332' date='Feb 2 2007, 05:09 PM'] They have a vaccine for that It's like, what, 3 days of itchyness? [/quote] [size=1]If you get it when you are older, it can be so bad sometimes you can die. [/size] [quote name='MissScripture' post='1183399' date='Feb 2 2007, 06:07 PM'] But how is the vaccine made? I just never paid much attention past the part where I think it's stupid that they bothered... [/quote] [size=1]I dont know how they are MADE, but vaccines are basically less harmful virus or bacteria of the type of sickness you are trying to avoid. That way your body can build amunity to it and when the REAL thing comes along, you can fight it off with your antibodies and not get sick! YAY! or something like that... I never got the vaccine, I had to get chicken pox the hard way. [/size] Edited February 3, 2007 by CrossCuT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 [quote name='CatholicCid' post='1183332' date='Feb 2 2007, 05:09 PM'] They have a vaccine for that It's like, what, 3 days of itchyness? [/quote] Well, Chicken Pox isn't always just a few days of itchiness.... My friends' dad lost an eye to a severe case. My two older ones were vaccinated against it, but HStot got it and HSdaughter ended up getting it (mild case) anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 [quote name='avemaria40' post='1183404' date='Feb 2 2007, 07:14 PM'] I had the shot when I was little but I agree, chicken pox doesn't kill you. You get a bad case of them once, you rarely ever get it again. [/quote] Yes, chicken pox does kill. One of my best friends died of chicken pox when I was little. If you get teh chicken pox it is unlikely that you will ever get them again. HOWEVER, you are at risk of getting shingles because chicken pox is a retro-virus and never really goes away. Thus it can and does come back leter in life as shingles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lterrebrood Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 I think this is just one of those things thatyou have to decide. I'm sure it's required for good reasons, such as the well being of children and their fellow classmates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 They are made from human embryos... Well even before that. diploid cells they are called. They are when the cells of a human afer conception has divided. So basically from aborted babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 [quote name='Mercy me' post='1183441' date='Feb 2 2007, 07:24 PM'] Yes, chicken pox does kill. One of my best friends died of chicken pox when I was little. If you get teh chicken pox it is unlikely that you will ever get them again. HOWEVER, you are at risk of getting shingles because chicken pox is a retro-virus and never really goes away. Thus it can and does come back leter in life as shingles. [/quote] I'm pretty sure you only get shingles if you get the chicken pox as an adult. [quote name='prose' post='1183456' date='Feb 2 2007, 07:53 PM'] They are made from human embryos... Well even before that. diploid cells they are called. They are when the cells of a human afer conception has divided. So basically from aborted babies. [/quote] So, how do make them with those cells? I mean, most (all?) other vaccines are dead or weak strains of whatever they are protecting against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 (edited) [quote]To date, there are 5 vaccines that use aborted babies as part of the manufacturing process: Rubella, as found in the M-M-R®II, the M-R-Vax®II, the Meruvax®II, and the Biavax®II; Poliovax® inactivated vaccine for Polio; Varivax® Varicella Virus Vaccine Live, for Chicken Pox; Imovax® Rabies ID, Wistar Rabies Virus Strain PM-1503-3M Vaccine (and the rabies immune globulin); and the newly recommended Havrix® Inactivated for Hepatitis A. Some of this information is fairly easy to find and some of the information needs some history and medical information to detect.[/quote] [url="http://www.geocities.com/titus2birthing/VacProLife.html"]http://www.geocities.com/titus2birthing/VacProLife.html[/url] [quote]What is Chickenpox Vaccine? The Varicella Zoster (chickenpox) vaccine is made from the Oka/Merck strain of live attenuated (weakened) varicella virus. The virus was initially obtained from a child with natural varicella, introduced into human embryonic lung cell cultures, adapted to and propagated in embryonic guinea pig cell cultures, and finally propagated in human diploid cell cultures. The vaccine contains sucrose, phosphate, glutamate and processed gelatin as stabilizers.[/quote] [url="http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/chickenpox%20facts.htm"]http://www.909shot.com/Diseases/chickenpox%20facts.htm[/url] Edited February 3, 2007 by prose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christie_M Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1183438' date='Feb 2 2007, 05:19 PM'] Well, Chicken Pox isn't always just a few days of itchiness.... My friends' dad lost an eye to a severe case. [/quote] [color="blue"] I've never gotton the Chicken Pox, and I don't want them!! [/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 [quote name='MissScripture' post='1183457' date='Feb 2 2007, 08:57 PM'] I'm pretty sure you only get shingles if you get the chicken pox as an adult. [/quote] From a Stanford University study on Shingles: [quote]Anyone who has had chicken pox as a child stands a risk of getting shingles when they enter or approach old age, or when their immune system is compromised by being H.I.V. positive or have AIDS, or have been taking immune suppressants, or cancer patients who have had chemotherapy or radiation treatment. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beata_virgo_maria Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 (edited) I had the chicken pox shot when I was 11 or so, when it first came out and wasn't aware of the abortion link. (If I had know they would have probably had to have sedated me to give me the shot, lets just say I was very pro-life even then, and a little bit rambunctious.) They recommended that I get a booster of the shot, because they are finding that it doesn't last for very long. As I am now legally an adult, I replied that I will get a booster if they make one that didn't play a role in the killing of an unborn child. (aka If they just use animal cells) Edited February 3, 2007 by beata_virgo_maria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted February 3, 2007 Author Share Posted February 3, 2007 There [i]is[/i] an ethical version available in the US. Just not in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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