Hospice Helps Dying Man Lose His Virginity

[SJRod55]

It is a great shame he had to resort to this and was not in a position to find a true partner and experience true love.

[Didymus]

I may have the wrong link.

I'm refering to the healthcare company that gets called in for 'end of life' issues. I think they advertise as care that will give supplies to the patient (wheelchair etc.) while providing 'comfort' to the family in the time leading up to the death. The problem is, too many times (almost all the time) the patients do not, in the end, die of natural death or death due to their illness, but rather a lack of decent nutrition due to the advice and 'care' of hospice. The biggest problem I see with this organization is that since many times (even the Church's writings can be somewhat ambiguous at times) it is hard to tell when death is 'imminent' and thus it is easy for the corrupt members of the culture of death to move in and infect organizations as these to convince the families towards a warped sense of when is the right time to die. The biggest thing to remember to fiddler out the wolves in sheeps clothing is (as many of you know already) that food and water are not supernatural and are always due the patient

I especially didnt mean to offend anyone who may work in a special hospital which may have a similar name but no affiliation with the organization I am refering to. Honestly, I dont really know what the original source (original post) is refering to (Is it this company, or a private institution of care)???

Edited January 29, 2007 by Didymus

[morostheos]

Ok, after a teensy bit of searching, I found this on [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospice_care"]Wikipedia[/url]:

[quote]The first hospice in the United States was established in 1974. Relatively generous Medicare reimbursement for hospice treatment has greatly increased hospice usage in the United States. There are now roughly 4,100 hospice services in operation in the United States (NHPCO). The first United States hospital-based palliative care programs began in 1989, at the Cleveland Clinic, in response to the recognition that restrictions on hospice eligibility imposed by the Medicare Hospice Benefit prevented adequate care for seriously ill and dying patients in acute care hospitals. In response, there has been a dramatic increase in hospital-based palliative care programs, now numbering more than 1200 (www.capc.org).[/quote]

So it seems that Didymus is referring to probably the Medicare Hospice Benefit program specifically, and everyone else is referring to hospice care in general.

Also, my grandmother who lived with us the last 6 years of her life recieved benefits from this same program, and it certainly did not promote euthanasia - the aides who came to help my grandmother also helped her to keep her dignity and will to live much longer than we ever could have on our own. So I think what it really boils down to is that there are some bad apples in the field of medical workers - who happen to gravitate towards the very ill to promote a cause.

[Didymus]

i dont know anymore. This is such a sore subject for me. I've never heard or experience of any good coming from the hospice program. The distrust that has developed a permanent effect in me. I just shudder sometimes when I look back at the entire medical world as a whole just to see where we're coming from, and where we're going. There's so much fine detail and just not enough good Catholic ethicists around to hear and assist in the individual cases. So much confusion and contradiction even coming from those who call themselves ethicists in my area alone.

anyways, sorry to change the subject! It is unfortunate that this soul apparently lacked the correct disposition for meeting his Creator face to face

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1179524' date='Jan 29 2007, 05:01 PM']
i dont know anymore. This is such a sore subject for me. I've never heard or experience of any good coming from the hospice program. The distrust that has developed a permanent effect in me. I just shudder sometimes when I look back at the entire medical world as a whole just to see where we're coming from, and where we're going. There's so much fine detail and just not enough good Catholic ethicists around to hear and assist in the individual cases. So much confusion and contradiction even coming from those who call themselves ethicists in my area alone.

anyways, sorry to change the subject! It is unfortunate that this soul apparently lacked the correct disposition for meeting his Creator face to face
[/quote]
Its ok. Any system can be used for evil purposes by someone.

[thessalonian]

Absolutely NUTZ *2. What a trajedy.

[Veritas]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1179314' date='Jan 29 2007, 11:22 AM']
[size=5]Everyone should take notice of the fact that the nun and clergy in question were not Catholic. That is not to say that this incident is any less tragic, just that the Church can't be blamed for this![/size]
[/quote]

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The Church can't be blamed for personal failings anyway!

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Veritas' post='1179718' date='Jan 29 2007, 07:07 PM']
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The Church can't be blamed for personal failings anyway!
[/quote]
Well sure. But you know many would take this as a reason to hate the Church futher. Also, it would be one more 'reason' that some could start to lose hope in the Divine Church --- one more sad case of individual failing.

[Didymus]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1179543' date='Jan 29 2007, 04:20 PM']
Its ok. Any system can be used for evil purposes by someone.
[/quote]

the problem is, it's not 'someone.' the problem is that in one particular case I studied, a woman with cancer had only her daughter to actually care for her because hospice continuously tried to convince the daughter to take her off of food. That is, not feed her since that would 'only feed the cancer.' The worst aspect in this particular case was that no hospice group held any beliefs different than to starve cancer patients. The woman with cancer demanded that her daughter not allow them back again.

Post mortem investigation found the medical reports blaming the daughter for taking her off hospice. Even the doctors were set on starving the cancer patients.

As you can see, it wasnt someone, as in one or two employees, but not one hospice organization supported what the patient wanted, which was to die the respectable death due to cancer rather than being starved to death.

This is only one of many stories I could recount to you

Edited January 30, 2007 by Didymus

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1179745' date='Jan 29 2007, 08:27 PM']
Well sure. But you know many would take this as a reason to hate the Church futher. Also, it would be one more 'reason' that some could start to lose hope in the Divine Church --- one more sad case of individual failing.
[/quote]
It was not a Catholic institution.

[Catholictothecore]

(Finishes reading)





I sometimes wonder as to the point in living in this culture. I have HINDU friends who show more respect for life and the dignity of the human person than this!

Edited January 30, 2007 by Catholictothecore

[cathoholic_anonymous]

Didymus, if you are just condemning a particular organisation with a particular ethos, why did you implicate Douglas House? Douglas House has no part in the organisation that you mentioned. It's a British hospice run privately on Anglican principles. We don't have that umbrella organisation over here.

[MRSannie]

Didymus, I am sorry if I over reacted to your post.

IMHO, unecessary medical intervention (esp teaching hospital's) done to cancer victims with termial illness is a great tragedy, and the whole premise of hospice is to die at home without intervention, with dignity, with PAIN RELIEF and with proper care. Also hospice should promote total family support (bringing in whomever is needed).

Thanks to our cultural fear of death and tendency to delelgate unpleasant tasks (I am not kidding, I saw a truck today for a dog-mushy mud pie pick up business) hospice was borne to return what used to be provided by family to the dying. Believe me, worse can happen in a hospital, or a nursing home for that matter.

Your awful stories and experiences are, I am sure, deeply rooted and justified. But please, please remember your experience, albeit significant to you, can color the attitude of those who have not been faced yet with a dying family member. Your warning is fair and acceptable; your seething and narrow view of ALL hospice situations is unfair and potentially harmful to those who will make future decisions for their loved ones.

We all have poor experiences with what should have been good things---parenthood, marriage, home ownership, driving, medical interventions, education, the list could go on and on. There is plenty I could rant about, but then you all would never have kids, never visit relatives and never, well you get the picture.

God bless you for your convictions on not starving a patient in the manner the patients were treated in your stories. In that you are right....

[Didymus]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1180449' date='Jan 30 2007, 02:20 PM']
Didymus, if you are just condemning a particular organisation with a particular ethos, why did you implicate Douglas House? Douglas House has no part in the organisation that you mentioned. It's a British hospice run privately on Anglican principles. We don't have that umbrella organisation over here.
[/quote]

I apologize if thats what I implicated. That was not my intention.

[Seven77]

very sad. tragic.

i feel i have to say something to say about this. i also have muscular dystrophy (don't know what kind he has). By the grace of God i've been given the gift of seeing myself on the cross: this disability is for a reason. Wasted suffering is a tragic thing---its like becoming a martyr for the devil. Jesus saved me from it.

It's not easy. Sometimes i think sure--i'd like a wife. i don't even discount it--it could be realistic. To think it isn't may be to have low regard for women. At the same time i know it isn't about selfish pleasure. i'd lay my life down for her.

Mother Teresa says "bloom where you are planted". If everyone with a disability could "see" their Divine mission they'd be fulfilled. Where are the missionaries to the disabled--to teach them about the mission?

How highly decorated will those with disabilites be in heaven. There will be joy that sex only dimly points to.

But how tragic will it be for such to go to hell? They'd be disabled forever.

The Resurrection is real.