Hospice Helps Dying Man Lose His Virginity

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1179273' date='Jan 29 2007, 10:35 AM']
The best place to die is at home with your family without outsiders providing fake compassion so that they could collect the memorials on your deceased loved ones.

I'm glad to hear you have taken advantage of the feel-good atmosphere produced by hospice.

"Hospice used to be a volunteer service that was done out of great dedication and love," says Ron Panzer of the Michigan-based Hospice Patients Alliance. "Medical ethics has turned a corner so we're not trying to do everything for the patient, but we're trying to save money."
[url="http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2001-08-20-hospice-care.htm"]http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2001-0...ospice-care.htm[/url]
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I don't think it's fair to lump every hospice in the world into this one evil category. Not everyone that drinks is a drunkard. Not everyone who eats is a glutton. (BTW, I noticed you completely ignored the post by Catholic Anonymous. Why's that?)

[Didymus]

You noticed wrong, Hughey. I didnt ignore it, thats why I posted the quote about how hospice isnt how they founded it to be.

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1179206' date='Jan 29 2007, 06:05 AM']Remember that Dame Ciceley Saunders founded the hospice movement in response to the threat posed by euthanasia. Not all hospices are true to her vision, which is very sad, but that is no reason to condemn the hospice movement as an idea.[/quote]

and I responded:

[quote]"Hospice used to be a volunteer service that was done out of great dedication and love," says Ron Panzer of the Michigan-based Hospice Patients Alliance. "Medical ethics has turned a corner so we're not trying to do everything for the patient, but we're trying to save money."
[url="http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2001-0...ospice-care.htm"]http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2001-0...ospice-care.htm[/url][/quote]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1179206' date='Jan 29 2007, 06:05 AM']
Don't. There are lots of good hospices out there. I used to volunteer at a children's hospice in Lancashire, which was a wonderful warm place. The children were too sick to be at home all the time - they needed twenty-four care. It's far better that they receive it in a place that is fitted up to look like an ordinary house, with individually decorated rooms and a special lodge where their families can stay, than in an ordinary, unstimulating hospital that reeks of disinfectant and the whole atmosphere is one of illness.
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I have no doubt that there are good people working within hospice, but I'd rather they leave hospice, because I will NEVER trust that institution. Death is their job.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[franciscanheart]

[size=5]Everyone should take notice of the fact that the nun and clergy in question were not Catholic. That is not to say that this incident is any less tragic, just that the Church can't be blamed for this![/size]

[Didymus]

ok, so maybe (if you're refering once again to C.A.'s post and my 'lack' of responding to it) you should take note that none of the points I made had anything to do with the Church!

only hospice. I cared less about hearing there was a nun involved (regardless of denomination) and more with the fact that it was another act performed by [sarcasm]good ole hospice[/sarcasm]

Edited January 29, 2007 by Didymus

[cathoholic_anonymous]

Death is NOT their job. I will never forget entering [url="http://www.derianhouse.co.uk/index.html"]Derian House[/url], through a long hallway crammed with toys and games, to find the manager struggling not to cry because a little boy had died. She wept for every patient. Every one. Her staff were like her - they genuinely cared. Very few people go into such a traumatic line of work unless they have the necessary compassion and courage to take care of terminally ill children. It's a very special vocation. It's not fake.

[quote]how many hospices recommend against starving cancer patients (they of course dont claim starvation). I have never heard of a hospice that doesnt believe in the whole 'we dont want to feed the cancer' bs.[/quote]

Well, I have. I worked in one - and I know a network of hospices like it.

[quote]i stand by my previous statement. the medical world would be FAR better without hospice and I still will die standing firm against any and every hospice organization.[/quote]

Dying at home is rarely possible. A traumatised mother and father with no formal medical training will find it very difficult to look after a fifteen-year-old boy who is so sick that he struggles to walk, can't use the bathroom, and needs an oxygen supply to be on hand. A hospice with a comfortable, homely atmosphere will always be better than a clinical, impersonal hospital.

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well he's not enjoying it now.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1179316' date='Jan 29 2007, 11:25 AM']
ok, so maybe (if you're refering once again to C.A.'s post and my 'lack' of responding to it) you should take note that none of the points I made had anything to do with the Church!

only hospice. I cared less about hearing there was a nun involved (regardless of denomination) and more with the fact that it was another act performed by [sarcasm]good ole hospice[/sarcasm]
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I wasn't talking to you. I was pointing that out for all of the NEW readers. The world doesn't revolve around you, ya know.

[Didymus]

Like I said, I have the utmost respect for your work. It just doesnt change how I think of hospice.

btw, I'm refering to the actual organization 'hospice.' I dont know if there is a difference between 'a hospice' and 'being on hospice.' You seem to be saying you worked [i]in[/i] a hospice. I just wanted to clarify I'm refering to the healthcare organization. I think this is their site: [url="http://www.hospicenet.org/"]http://www.hospicenet.org/[/url]

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

[quote]".....We came to the conclusion that it was our duty of care to support Nick emotionally and to help ensure his physical safety."[/quote]

But obviously not his spritual safety.

God have mercy on this poor soul....

[mariahLVzJP2]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1179314' date='Jan 29 2007, 12:22 PM']
[size=5]Everyone should take notice of the fact that the nun and clergy in question were not Catholic. That is not to say that this incident is any less tragic, just that the Church can't be blamed for this![/size]
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thanks for pointing it out.

[prose]

Okay, clearly you are not referring to the same things. "A hospice" is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STATEMENT than a company called hospice.

I know in Canada (or at least here in Edmonton), hospice refers to end of life care outside of a hospital, but with medical care... I have never heard of an organization.

I think you all are arguing b/c you are using different definitions

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='prose' post='1179341' date='Jan 29 2007, 01:34 PM']
Okay, clearly you are not referring to the same things. "A hospice" is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STATEMENT than a company called hospice.

I know in Canada (or at least here in Edmonton), hospice refers to end of life care outside of a hospital, but with medical care... I have never heard of an organization.

I think you all are arguing b/c you are using different definitions
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if you check his link they are the same thing.

[prose]

Is he not referring to a particular company called hospice, and not a way of care?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='prose' post='1179360' date='Jan 29 2007, 02:06 PM']
Is he not referring to a particular company called hospice, and not a way of care?
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If you check the link it is both.