Someone You Should Know!

[Urib2007]

Bill Schnoebelen is a recognized authority on alternative religions and the occult, and spent sixteen years as a teacher of witchcraft, spiritism and ceremonial magick. His spiritual search also included seven years in the Church of Satan. Additionally, he spent nine years as an active member of the Freemasonic fraternity and five years as a devout member of the LDS (Mormon) church, where he held numerous offices, including elders' quorum president. He and his wife also held temple recommends in the LDS church for four years.

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You should check out his video FREE on google video ( The Light Behind Masonry) where it exposes everything you've ever wanted to know about Freemasonry from a former INSIDE source. You won't regret watching it.

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2748614967389038944"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2748614967389038944[/url]

Edited January 28, 2007 by Urib2007

[prose]

This is very interesting.

Too bad he is JW.

Even more too bad that he is pretty Anti-Catholic.

[Didymus]

The best book on freemasony still is 'Behind the Lodge Door" handsdown.

[url="http://www.amazon.com/Behind-Lodge-Door-Paul-Fisher/dp/0895554550"]http://www.amazon.com/Behind-Lodge-Door-Pa...r/dp/0895554550[/url]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Since this isn't a debate, but is technically spam, I'm going to close this unless a legitimate debate topic emerges. Ready, set, go!

[Urib2007]

Do any of you think he's for real?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Urib2007' post='1179611' date='Jan 29 2007, 06:34 PM']
Do any of you think he's for real?
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Think who's for real?

All I know is that you've produced a massive number of threads in our religious debate phorum, all of which have little or nothing to do with religion or debate. Please stop breaking the rules and we won't have a problem.

[prose]

Wait!! Don't close it!! It is a two hour video. I might have something to debate when I am finished it tomorrow.!!!!! I won't have time to finish it today.

He sure seems real, but certainly strange. He seems really attracted to cults. First he is Wiccan, then mormon, and then JW, and the whole time an active Mason. Seems like he has done a bit of everything evil. I am only 1 1/2 hrs in though and I have to go get the kids in a bit, so I won't be able to finish it today.

But I agree about the number of posts. Let's cool down a bit on those!!

I remember when dairygirl came here and she was doing that for a while too. Posting 50 threads on the exact same topic.

gah



how annoying.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='prose' post='1179615' date='Jan 29 2007, 06:38 PM']
Wait!! Don't close it!! It is a two hour video. I might have something to debate when I am finished it tomorrow.!!!!! I won't have time to finish it today.
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Fair enough.

I have a CD from a Catholic who used to be a Satanist. Very scary stuff.

[Nathan]

He leaves Satanism and becomes a Mormon, and then a Jehovah's Witness? He's getting closer, but still no cigar.

Edited January 29, 2007 by Nathan

[prose]

So I finished watching this. Very interesting. I wonder if it is true. He sure seemed genuine, but when I visited the "Prophecy Club" website ...

Did anyone else watch this?

My hubby and I watched it together last night. There was certainly some deep evil in it if even half of what he said is true.

Does anyone know if any of those images are online?

[catholimaniac]

[quote name='prose' post='1180348' date='Jan 30 2007, 02:04 PM']
So I finished watching this. Very interesting. I wonder if it is true. He sure seemed genuine, but when I visited the "Prophecy Club" website ...

Did anyone else watch this?[/quote]

I haven't watched the video, but I watch the Prophecy Club on cable access TV. (I love the name "Prophecy Club") Anyway, I watch a gentleman named David Eells. He's pretty interesting, but I don't give him much credence.

[Urib2007]

[quote name='prose' post='1180348' date='Jan 30 2007, 11:04 AM']
So I finished watching this. Very interesting. I wonder if it is true. He sure seemed genuine, but when I visited the "Prophecy Club" website ...

Did anyone else watch this?

My hubby and I watched it together last night. There was certainly some deep evil in it if even half of what he said is true.

Does anyone know if any of those images are online?
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Hi, Prose. What kind of images are you looking for?

Here's another video found on Google Video from Bill Schnoebelen called "Exposing the Illuminati."

It's worth watching if you ask me, but I'm sure others will find it dull.

[b]Exposing the Illuminati from Within. Part 1. Bill Schnoebelen was a Satanic and Voodoo High Priest, 2nd degree Church of Satan, New Age guru, occultist, channeler, 90th degree Mason, Knight Templar, and a member of the Illuminati. Bill shows how the conspiracy works and how it uses the Lodge and the highest echelons of power and technology to form a new world government.[/b]

[url="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2134284036772812990"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2134284036772812990[/url]

Edited January 30, 2007 by Urib2007

[prose]

The stamp, and the stairway images to start.

I will definitely watch that.

Just to be clear, I don't necessarily believe hook line and sinker what is being said, but I think that Satan really does work through organizations like the Masons, so I think that films like this are very interesting.

[quote]Bill Schnoebelen

William J. Schnoebelen must be one of the world's most gullible individuals. Those in the United States are now accustomed to television fare such as "World's Dumbest Criminals" where the most ludicrous and irrational behavior of those who attempt to commit crimes are recounted. That notwithstanding, Mr. Schnoebelen really seems to 'take the cake' in terms of naiveté.

He claims that he was a 'witch' (whatever his definition of that is) for some 16 years until he discovered that being one was evil. (He believes paganism is the same as witchcraft). He was a Mormon for some 5 years - until he discovered their supposed evils. And, of course, he was a Mason (for 8-9 years) - until he discovered that it (he now thinks he knows) was evil as well. Perhaps after a few more years as whatever he is now, he'll discover some evil there as well - and will write a book about it while going 'on the stump' with speaking engagements. Yes, Bill is nothing if not dexterous with his beliefs and slow to find yet another 'truth' (or lucrative opportunity....).

Oh, and he claims that he's an ordained minister - although (and curious for someone who ostensibly knows things are wrong from a religious perspective) he doesn't bother to tell us in what denomination he's achieved this.
Update: We spoke too soon in writing above: summer, 2000 finds Bill lecturing about new world order conspiracies and Biblical prophecy. In his book on Wicca, he told us how Satan was using UFOs to unite with earthlings but.... We wonder if he'll tire of that in another few years when it's less 'in vogue' and give lectures on how flying saucer supporters are evil too....

If only we knew: March, 2002 finds Bill with yet another money-making activity: a video titled "Israel, Islam, and Biochemical/Nuclear Terrorism" In a breathless announcement from 'Director' David Bay (who'll happily sell you a copy for just $24.95) we're told that we'll P.T.Barnum was right!"Learn thoroughly about nuclear and biochemical weapons: how terrorists use them, how to spot the first signs of attack, and how to protect your family. Learn about the three kinds of nuclear terrorist weapons: backpack dirty, backpack clean, and airburst." Now nothing we've seen in Bill's many and varied biographies indicates that he knows anything whatsoever about weapons of any kind or that he's ever had any training and/or experience in any field that would give him even the most casual tangential exposure to such knowledge. Needless to say, subject knowledge has never yet stopped Bill from trying to profit from a gullible public. Mr. Bay assures us that Bill "... speaks from the unique perspective of a former Black Magick Wizard." - life experience which undoubtedly provides some very unique insights on how to identify nuclear devices and terrorists!

So let's take a few minutes to explore some of the contradictions and spurious claims of Schnoebelen and see some of the discrepancies which cast severe doubt on the credibility of his claims.

Bill's Strange Life

Masonry Beyond the LightOn page 12 in his book, "Masonry Beyond the Light", Schnoebelen tells the story with great passion: reading a Jack Chick comic book, he finds Jesus. ("However, between the [Masonic] meeting and my arrival at the [Masonic] luncheon, I had made an extraordinary transition from one kingdom to another. God had moved upon my life in a miraculous way. Through a remarkable series of events I had knelt at my bedside holding a crumpled Chick tract in my trembling fingers. That tract told me that all I had to do to be acceptable in Jesus' sight was ask Him to forgive my sins and be my Lord and Savior."). According to the biography one finds on his web site, this occurred in 1984.
Now we'll add a bit more:

From the web site, we also learn that he received a Masters in Theological Studies degree from St. Francis School of Pastoral Ministry in 1980 during the time he was apparently not 'saved'. (On page 15 of his book, Schnoebelen claims "This was a time of considerable spiritual searching for me. I had been saved by Jesus while a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), known as the Mormons." <emphasis added>) Ironic, isn't it?

What's more, during the time he claims to have been a "witch", he was attending Loras College in Dubuque, Iowa which bills itself as "The premier Catholic Liberal Arts College".
It gets more confusing, though:

Schnoebelen says on page 17 of his book "My own background in occultism, witchcraft and even satanism prior to joining the Mormon church <emphasis added> had provided me with a comprehensive knowledge of occult and esoteric (hidden, high-level) Masonry and ceremonial magik."
Putting aside the dates for a moment, one must wonder: if Bill had learned these supposedly horrid things about Freemasonry, why did he then decide to join it in the first place?

Is it possible he deliberately lied when he was asked if he was joining Masonry for "mercenary motives"....?

Did he WANT to be a 'bad boy' despite having been "saved by Jesus"?

Ah, the contradictions about BUT if he'd lie about that, what ELSE is he lying about?

The dates indicate that Schnoebelen - who left Masonry in 1984, had been a Mormon for 5 years (ostensibly 1979-84 since - as shown above - he was a Mormon when he was 'saved'). Curiously, this was during a time he was receiving a Masters in Theological Studies degree (if his claims are true) from St. Francis School of Pastoral Ministry (1980).

We think it quite odd that an individual receiving a graduate college degree in a field which would, of necessity, touch on various world religions (and, we suspect, on Freemasonry as well) would be SO confused that he couldn't discern the supposed evil in the both the religion he was then choosing and the Masonic organization of which at that time he was a member? Ostensibly Schnoebelen was a Mason for 8-9 years - depending on which of his references you use and thus was a Mason in 1980 (1984 when he was 'saved' minus 8 or 9 years means he joined in 1975 or 1976. His theological degree was in 1980!!!)
But WAIT!!!

In his book on Wicca, he claims that "Over the years, we advanced to the higher levels of witchcraft. Up to our departure from the city of Milwaukee in 1984, we were presiding over one of the oldest and largest networks of covens in the Midwest." So how can this be? Schnoebelen - as we saw above - claimed to have been a Mormon at the time he was 'saved' (in 1984) and yet as this quote shows, he is claiming to be a Wiccan, notwithstanding another of his quotes that he was a 'witch' before being a Mormon. With a Masters Degree in Theological Studies, did he not understand the difference between Wicca and Mormonism? Did he think he was both a Wiccan and a Mormon?

And to add EVEN MORE....

Anti-Mason Ed Decker notes that three years after he became a Mason, Bill joined "Palladium Masonry". Of course, this is a VERY curious claim since there was never any such thing!!! It was an admitted HOAX created by the Leo Taxil in order to embarrass the Catholic Church. So here's Bill off joining an organization that doesn't exist... Yeah, right!

But let's suppose, just for the point of argument, that somebody really had created some such organization: Bill would certainly have mentioned joining (or planning to join) such a thing to SOMEONE in his lodge, don't you think? That person would have been quite curious about this since they'd likely never heard of it. (99% of Masons are probably unfamiliar with the term "Palladium Masonry" since it never existed....). SURELY it would have been pointed out to poor, gullible Bill that there was no such thing. As a Mason from Chicago wrote about this farce, "Taxil would be proud."

Ed Decker in his timeline of Bill's life notes that Bill joined the Church of Satan in 1975 and became a Master Mason in 1976. Strange that Bill could make promise "so help me God" on the Holy Bible when he was (ostensibly) a member of the Church of Satan. Unless, of course, he lied....one way or another. An internet poster has suggested that it could be because Bill actually thought that Satan was God. ---------- Think about that for a minute. If *that's* what he thought, how can anyone be sure that he knows what he's talking about now? Or, assuming that he was just 'confused' then, aren't 20++ years of confusion enough to make one wonder about whether his head's screwed on correctly now? Why should anyone believe it? Because it 'sounds good' to them now perhaps?

Sounds to us, frankly, as if Bill has quite a tough time distinguishing between things: dates, religions, perhaps more - and thus, we trust you'll forgive us for questioning his ability to determine what's correct and what's not about Freemasonry!

And - his website (Summer, 2000) claims that he spent seven years in the Church of Satan. When was this accomplished? Wasn't mentioned previously: perhaps Bill just forgot?

And there's yet MORE~~~

In the Summer of 2000, Bill claimed on his website that he's been studying UFOs for nearly thirty years: as you can see from the above, this was while he was a "witch" and more.... Timelines can be SO interesting....

And, of course, we must wonder when he found time to become an expert on nuclear and biological weapons such that anyone should spend $25 to buy a video tape in which he provides information about them. Not a single mention in any of Bill's prior bios about experience with weapons or terrorism but now: an instructional videotape! Wonder what'll be next? Stock market advice? Tax preparation? The possibilities are endless....
Indeed the possibilities ARE endless. In the summer of 2002, we find that Mr. Schnoebelen is now happy to sell you non-FDA approved health food products along with his tapes, tracts, videos and books. One, for example, is "A synergistic blend of fibers and botanicals that have been used for centuries for their cleansing properties. It works like an intestinal broom to gently cleanse and eliminate unwanted toxins and help maintain a healthy colon. This is a detoxifying, energizing and revitalizing program that can be used occasionally or on a daily basis for nutritional support." For only $39 you can have a clean colon AND support Jesus Christ by buying things from someone who will tell you how to protect yourself from dirty backpack bombs and the evil Freemasons - as well as Satan in a UFO. Truly, truly amazing.... </sarcasm>

And in December, 2003, we find that Bill's biography now shows him to be "a Naturopathic doctor, a Nutritional Herbologist and a Certified Natural Health Professional." Truly amazing that he could find the time to do a four year post-graduate science degree and some 1200 hours of clinical training to become an N.D., along with the time spent to be a 'nutritional herbologist' ($700 and few hours listening to audio tapes it appears) and getting that certification (another 75 hours) while all the time becoming an expert on dirty bombs - or is part of that bio, like his others and like his claims about Freemasonry, shading the truth to enhance himself....???

And we're sure that it'll come as no surprise that he's not listed as a Naturopathic Doctor by the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians. Well, maybe he just hasn't had the time to join what with all that dirty bomb stuff to keep up-to-date on.

In the final analysis, it probably is MOST telling that when one goes to Mr. Schnoebelen's website and clicks on "Masonry" in the navigation on the left, it goes directly to his STORE!

We think that says it all about his motivation for castigating the fraternity.

Every time we 'surf the web', we're amazed at the new things we find out about the many and varied interests of Mr. Schnoebelen. In Fall, 2005, we found the totally discredited 'Prophecy Man' Stan Johnson plugging Mr. Schnoebelen with this advertisement. Now Bill's a "Voodoo High Priest", knows about 'Black Ops' and more. We can only wonder what next angst of psyche will cause Bill to admit that, yes, he was actually an expert in <whatever> but just hadn't mentioned it before now. How many different things can this man have been involved with? Looks like Bill's 'hitting all the bases' these days....
Bill Schnoebelen
Will be doing 2 talks on:
Exposing The Illuminati from Within &
The Sons of God and the Antichrist
in Topeka, KS Only!

Times: Doors open at 12 pm
Speaking from 1 pm - 6 pm & 7 pm - 10 pm

Gift of $7 suggested at the door
Give what you can and bring a friend


Exposing The Illuminati from Within
Bill Schnoebelen was a Satanic and Voodoo High Priest, 2nd degree Church of Satan, New Age guru, occultist, channeler, 90th degree Mason, Knight Templar, and a member of the Illuminati. Bill shows how the conspiracy works and how it uses the Lodge and the highest echelons of power and technology from secret "black project" operations to form a world government. Two, 2 hr. DVD's or VHS's.

The Sons of God and the Antichrist
Bill Schnoebelen has seen over 100 UFO’s and studied them for over 40 years. He was a member of National Investigations Committee on Airal Phenomena NICAP. Interviewed over 100 people who have been abducted. including Christians. Bill will show pictures of physical evidence of the Sons of God. He will explain their connections to black magic, fallen angels DNA and how it relates to the Mark of the Beast and a counterfeit Gospel. Bill says the Sons of God will reveal themselves and be a part of deceiving millions of people, including Christians, into denying Jesus.

From time to time we get e-mail from 'supporters' (defenders) of Mr. Schnoebelen saying that while the dates he's given about his life might not match, that his message is correct.

WAIT A MINUTE!

How can someone be so totally confused about their own life, what various belief systems are, how organizations work and SO much more yet still be considered correct about other things? Isn't this informational cherry-picking? Grab what you like to hear and try to convince others it's correct despite the fact that all evidence indicates its source sometimes doesn't know one end of the rope from the other. It staggers the imagination.

There appear to us two possible explanations:

#1 - Bill is chronically confused - but if he is, then his information is just as likely to be similarly confused: thus unreliable!

#2 - Bill has fibbed - and if he has, what part of what he's saying is the truth. Was he lying then or is he lying now?

Confused or fabricator: your choice - but PLEASE don't try to convince us that he knows what he's talking about when the above material SO clearly shows that he doesn't.

Updated May 31, 2006
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source: [url="http://www.masonicinfo.com/schnoebelen.htm"]http://www.masonicinfo.com/schnoebelen.htm[/url]

Woah!!

And I am listening to his presentation....

The Catholic Church DOES NOT teach that the priest is another Christ!!!!!!!!!!

This man hates The Catholic Church, and mostly just things he CLEARLY does not understand!

Edited January 31, 2007 by prose

[cmotherofpirl]

So the guys a fake? are we surprised? nope.
End of thread.