Do Good People Get Rejected From Heaven?

[XIX]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1177318' date='Jan 26 2007, 11:45 PM']
the divine mercy (a private revelation i might add) does not preach your gospel of Universal salvation. Our lord makes especially clear that MOST people will be damned. Living in the world today, i am not surprised by that statement.
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Then why does the Church not proclaim any such teaching? (same question for cinsd)

PS: Please cut it out with the strawmen. He never mentioned universalism.


The Church refuses to speculate how populated heaven or hell is. Every Catholic should follow suit. WHY is this so hard to understand?

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1177382' date='Jan 27 2007, 12:15 AM']
WHY are there ever polls and posts about stuff like this? We can never know the answers to questions like this and it's pointless to speculate.

Seriously. Let's all hold hands, chant red rover and run into a brick wall together at the count of three for fun. It makes about as much sense.
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Running into a red wall is less painful and damaging. Trying to figure out what's not meant for us to know reeks of arrogant self-love.

Be good. Be holy. Help other do likewise. Through God's mercy, save your soul. Help others do likewise. Let God worry about the rest.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

I am not sure that what you are referring to. If the Gospel passage (spoken by our Lord himself) doesn't refer to the fact that more people will be damned than saved, what does it refer to?

[XIX]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1177658' date='Jan 27 2007, 10:55 AM']
I am not sure that what you are referring to. If the Gospel passage (spoken by our Lord himself) doesn't refer to the fact that more people will be damned than saved, what does it refer to?
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I don't know. I'm not a Church Scholar or a Biblical scholar. I just know that it doesn't mean what you think it means, because the Church would have dogmatically defined it by now. Maybe it just means that for every virtue, there are a dozen different ways to sin. I don't know.

Life's a lot simpler when you are obedient.

[mortify]

Rahner supposedly said something like hell will be empty, or practically so.

We are moderns and so we bear a modern mentality. How can someone go to hell for not having faith when faith is "subjective?" Especially if that person has been good "objectively," like being charitable and kind. How can a person who totally rejects Jesus and His Cross go to hell if they volunteered to feed the poor? It seems unjust to us. It is a scary* thought but our deeds will not merit our salvation. The best of our deeds can not wash away the least of our sins because when we sin we do so against the Perfect God; where as our deeds are always imperfect. There is always a debt to pay. And only the God Man, Christ Jesus, can [i]pay[/i] our debt.

Let's not deceive ourselves, hell wont be empty. Our Lady at Fatima said people fall into hell like leaves falling off a tree in autumn. Imagine that!

Kyrie Eileson,
Mort


*fixed a spelling error

Edited January 27, 2007 by mortify

[prose]

I think it is very important to discuss things like this because things like this are discussed in real life. Discussions like this provide opportunity for reflection I think.

[kujo]

What difference does it make? Live by His Word and let God sort out the rest.

[SJRod55]

Good or Bad - depends on who is making the judgement call. For example one of the reasons the Narco traficantes - drug cartels are so 'strong' in their own native countries is because the donate millions to their local communities. Millions that their givernments do not have or are so corrupt they do not use. There is little question in many peoples minds that those involved in the drug cartels are 'bad' perhaps even 'evil' yet they are seen by poor villagers in areas where you and I never venture as being caring, and in many ways kind. Ruthless also comes into the vocabulary search, but how do we balance the Church - including the Catholic Church in these areas knowingly receiving tens of thousands of dollars from the drug trade? Yes individual priests receive the money and then use it within the community, yes the local churches get annonymous offerings - but it is ;known' where the money comes from. Therefore it is in relative terms as to how we use 'Good' and 'Bad'

[XIX]

I voted yes, simply because from what I can understand, we are all intrinsically good, simply because we are created by God. Some of us good people will go to Hell, for reasons I should not have to explain to a devout Catholic.

Ergo, good people go to Hell.