DesiringMore Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Is there any difference about the incarnation that Catholics and Protestants have? if so, what are they? and why? http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07706b.htm The Incarnation implies three facts: (1) The Divine Person of Jesus Christ; (2) The Human Nature of Jesus Christ; (3) The Hypostatic Union of the Human with the Divine Nature in the Divine Person of Jesus Christ. i'm very interested in what everyone's thoughts are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 You might be hard pressed to find a general belief among Protestants. One of my wife's cousins believs that Jesus is to God as a cup is to water?? I suppose that way they can get away with the belief that Mary was NOT the mother of God, only of Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 you need to be more protestant specific (should be a dictionary term). Some are trinitarians etc. and others like some pentecostals and jwitnesses have different beliefs. Some oriental orthodox churches rooted in nestorianism have different beliefs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Man, I didn't know those problems were still around. I thought they were dealt with long ago. I've heard of non-trinitarian Christians, but never of different opinions of Christ's nature. Don't most of the protestant churches follow the Nicene Creed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Is there any difference about the incarnation that Catholics and Protestants have? if so, what are they? and why? http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07706b.htm The Incarnation implies three facts: (1) The Divine Person of Jesus Christ; (2) The Human Nature of Jesus Christ; (3) The Hypostatic Union of the Human with the Divine Nature in the Divine Person of Jesus Christ. i'm very interested in what everyone's thoughts are... it's probably easier to just compare the catholic viewpoint w/ what YOU know or have been taught about the Incarnation. it is very difficult to generlize the "protestant" position...........and every time we try we are usually rebuked by an individual protestant or two who don't agree w/ our generalization. so, for the sake of clarity, what do you believe about the Incarnation? what have you been taught? once we know, then we can show u the differences between your belief and ours. thank you for your honest question, :D phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 90% view it identially. 80% don't believe in Transubstantiation. Some, use a funny term Consubstantiation, sort of "between" actual, and symbolic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 90% view it identially. 80% don't believe in Transubstantiation. Some, use a funny term Consubstantiation, sort of "between" actual, and symbolic. 90% all Christians or just non-Catholics? And if 80% don't believe in Transubstantiation, then how on earth do you get your 90% figure above. If 80% don't believe in Transubstantiation, then even if they all agreed in symbolic, that still would be only 80% agreement. The other 20% doesn't even come close. Can you please clarify who you are refering to, and site sources. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 22, 2004 Share Posted January 22, 2004 Is there any difference about the incarnation that Catholics and Protestants have? if so, what are they? and why? http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07706b.htm The Incarnation implies three facts: (1) The Divine Person of Jesus Christ; (2) The Human Nature of Jesus Christ; (3) The Hypostatic Union of the Human with the Divine Nature in the Divine Person of Jesus Christ. i'm very interested in what everyone's thoughts are... most protestant seminaries would agree with almost all of that. not really any issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted January 22, 2004 Author Share Posted January 22, 2004 most protestant seminaries would agree with almost all of that. not really any issue almost all??? what does that mean??? i don't understand..b/c almost is NOT ALL.... one of the reasons i bring it up is b/c i was talking to some Catholics who thought that Protestants don't believe in the incarnation...i told them i would check around and see...but i could never find anything to say if Protestants fully believe....I personally...no, i'm not going to say what i personally believe....but i leave you with another question....for those that don't believe in all the incarnation...what parts and why? i am really interested!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 almost all??? what does that mean??? i don't understand..b/c almost is NOT ALL.... one of the reasons i bring it up is b/c i was talking to some Catholics who thought that Protestants don't believe in the incarnation...i told them i would check around and see...but i could never find anything to say if Protestants fully believe....I personally...no, i'm not going to say what i personally believe....but i leave you with another question....for those that don't believe in all the incarnation...what parts and why? i am really interested!!! well, catholics believe that any protestant who insists on referring to Mary as the "Mother of Jesus" instead of th e"Mother of God" is implicitly denying a key aspect of the Incarnation. to say that Mary is only the mother of Jesus is to deny the perfect existence of both human nature, and Godly or divine nature in the second person of the Holy Trinity. if, as a protestant, you firmly believe that Jesus is 100% human while he is at the same time 100% God, then it comes as a necessary and unescapable conclusion that Mary is the Mother of God. this may be what ur catholic friend was referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Protestants don't believe in the INCARNATION? I don't think the people you were talking to know what the incarnation is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Okay, its time for the protestant to step in...*clears throat* If there is a Christian group out there that doesn't believe in the incarnation, they are labeled "false" by protestants. We don't consider mormons or JW's Christians like we view Lutherans or Calvinists or Baptists to all be Christian groups. The incarnation is a VERY basic and common belief of protestants. If you meet a protestant who doesn't believe in the incarnation, smack him for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted January 23, 2004 Author Share Posted January 23, 2004 if, as a protestant, you firmly believe that Jesus is 100% human while he is at the same time 100% God, then it comes as a necessary and unescapable conclusion that Mary is the Mother of God. i guess i have two questions that come to mind...first, if God has always existed, then how can he have a mother??...yet, b/c Jesus is 100% God and 100% human, how can mary not be the mother of God???....CRAZINESS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 Mystery :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 23, 2004 Share Posted January 23, 2004 i guess i have two questions that come to mind...first, if God has always existed, then how can he have a mother??...yet, b/c Jesus is 100% God and 100% human, how can mary not be the mother of God???....CRAZINESS!!! it is a mystery in a sense, but there is also some logic behind it. afterall, how do we define motherhood? a woman is a mother not because of her age or because she came before you. afterall, ur sister could come before you or be older than you but not be ur mother. so what when do we call a "woman" a "mother"? when she gives birth to a person and provides half of their genetic matieral. Mary gave birth to Jesus. She actually gave him 100% of his genetic material (his human nature). Jesus is God. therefore, Mary is the Mother of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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