I Am Insulted

[the_rev]

Considering a vocation to the priesthood, I find myself insulted at this story on the NE Wisconsin's religion page.
[quote]

Female Catholic priest to share story

By Charlie Mathews
Gannett Wisconsin Newspapers

MANITOWOC — Kathy Sullivan Vandenberg will describe her journey to the unsanctioned priesthood for a woman in the Catholic Church at an event Thursday at the Holiday Inn.

Lakeshore Pax Christi is the sponsor of her appearance. Member Jim Sustman said Vandenberg obtained an unsanctioned ordination in Pittsburgh last year, in a ceremony modeled on a Roman Catholic Women Priests movement in Europe.

Vandenberg is the mother of two daughters, has a Master's of Divinity degree from St. Francis Seminary in Milwaukee, and was a homilist for a Call to Action conference in Milwaukee last November.

She has been active in parish activities at St. Mary's Church in Waukesha, as a preschool education program coordinator, liturgy committee chair, parish council member and Family Singers group member.

In this free, public presentation, she will discuss her activities and ideas about women's roles in the Catholic Church.

Pax Christi is an international organization comprised mainly of Catholics, who advocate peace as the primary way to resolve conflicts and justice for all people and strive for a better understanding of many issues confronting the world and the Catholic Church, Sustman said. [/quote]

[cathoholic_anonymous]

Don't be insulted. Be forgiving.

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

[Noel's angel]

She seems to know what she's doing....

Just keep praying for people like this.

[raymondgassmann]

Over on Youtube there is a video of a mass said by a woman priest. In a way, it's hilarious. In a way, it's sad. And yes, I can see why you feel insulted.

LL&P

[Noel's angel]

I wouldn't even call them women 'priests'. Oh it makes me sad. This isn't some young, disillusioned girl, she should know better, which makes it even sadder.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

This is what happens when so many of the faithful see the priesthood as an occupation rather than a vocation.

[Totus Tuus]

Father Wade says that you can pray even if you're cringing your teeth and yelling towards heaven.
HAIL MARY FUUUUULLLLL OF GRACE THE LORD IS WITH THEE!!

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[VeniteAdoremus]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' post='1171289' date='Jan 20 2007, 06:12 PM']
Father Wade says that you can pray even if you're cringing your teeth and yelling towards heaven.
HAIL MARY FUUUUULLLLL OF GRACE THE LORD IS WITH THEE!!

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Oooh, I'm certainly going to try that sometimes... right now it would wake up my protestant roommates...

Ooooh. Wicked plan.

[Nathan]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1171284' date='Jan 20 2007, 12:02 PM']
This is what happens when so many of the faithful see the priesthood as an occupation rather than a vocation.
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True. But more to the point, this is what happens when people stop believing that the Church -- and, thus, its Magisterial teaching on all matters -- is guided by God Himself.

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

This is really sad. She's just fooling herself. Woman Priest? No, an arrogant power-hungry lay-woman, assuming a role she cannot fulfill: Priesthood/Victimhood.

Edited January 21, 2007 by Knight of the Holy Rosary

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]No, an arrogant power-hungry lay-woman, assuming a role she cannot fulfill: Priesthood/Victimhood.[/quote]

How do you know she's arrogant? How do you know she's power-hungry? For all you know, she might be the most humble woman you could ever find. Bad things have been done by good people before now.

I'm not in sympathy with what she has done, but I'm in sympathy with her. Church teaching is often so distorted and a solid Catholic education so difficult to come by that many otherwise intelligent, competent people reach adulthood without fully realising what their faith means or who they're called to be. I know practising Catholic girls whose catechesis practically comes from the newspaper. One of them said to me the other week, "I'm in the Church to change it." She has grown up to believe that the Church is basically a Good Thing. A Good Thing with cobwebs all over it, however. And she is neither arrogant nor power-hungry - just under-educated. Oh, she knows everything about politics and sociology - that will be her degree at university. But Catholicism? Catholicism as Catholics understand it? Here she knows very, very little.

[Catholictothecore]

[quote name='Noel's angel' post='1171279' date='Jan 20 2007, 10:55 AM']
I wouldn't even call them women 'priests'. Oh it makes me sad. This isn't some young, disillusioned girl, she should know better, which makes it even sadder.
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Kinda like calling them homosexuals "married."

[VeniteAdoremus]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1171732' date='Jan 21 2007, 04:12 AM']
How do you know she's arrogant? How do you know she's power-hungry? For all you know, she might be the most humble woman you could ever find. Bad things have been done by good people before now.

I'm not in sympathy with what she has done, but I'm in sympathy with her. Church teaching is often so distorted and a solid Catholic education so difficult to come by that many otherwise intelligent, competent people reach adulthood without fully realising what their faith means or who they're called to be. I know practising Catholic girls whose catechesis practically comes from the newspaper. One of them said to me the other week, "I'm in the Church to change it." She has grown up to believe that the Church is basically a Good Thing. A Good Thing with cobwebs all over it, however. And she is neither arrogant nor power-hungry - just under-educated. Oh, she knows everything about politics and sociology - that will be her degree at university. But Catholicism? Catholicism as Catholics understand it? Here she knows very, very little.
[/quote]

Well said. Practising charity in all cases is one of my biggest problems...

[mortify]

We need to be forgiving? Heck, we need an inquisitor!

[Knight of the Holy Rosary]

[quote]How do you know she's arrogant?[/quote]

She claims that the Church discriminates against women, so she gets ordained on a boat against her Bishops wishes. In doing so she places her opinions before the Scriptures, the Traditions of the Church and the Holy Fathers. This [i]requires[/i] arrogance.

[quote]Church teaching is often so distorted and a solid Catholic education so difficult to come by that many otherwise intelligent, competent people reach adulthood without fully realising what their faith means or who they're called to be. I know practising Catholic girls whose catechesis practically comes from the newspaper. One of them said to me the other week, "I'm in the Church to change it." She has grown up to believe that the Church is basically a Good Thing. A Good Thing with cobwebs all over it, however. And she is neither arrogant nor power-hungry - just under-educated. Oh, she knows everything about politics and sociology - that will be her degree at university. But Catholicism? Catholicism as Catholics understand it? Here she knows very, very little.[/quote]

I understand this wholeheartedly. This woman however does not fit the criteria. She says she holds a Masters in Divinity from St. Francis Seminary. And even if this were not true, she can't grab a Catechism? She manages to learn what the Church teaches but brushes over the reason behind it?

Your friend may not have had the necessary avenues. This woman does. She says she was a catechist at her parish. She had the means to educate herself. She chose to rebel instead.

[quote]How do you know she's power-hungry? [/quote]

[quote]I believe that discrimination against women is wrong and has to stop. I've decided not to leave the church because I feel it is important that good people stay so that we can change the church from within.

-Kathy Sullivan Vandenberg [/quote]

Her desire is not to dispense the sacraments. She desires change. In order to fulfill this 'change' (disfigurment) she needs to be in a position of 'power'.

*edited for spelling/grammar

Edited January 22, 2007 by Knight of the Holy Rosary