dairygirl4u2c Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 when jesus absorbs into your body for nutrition... do you share in the diviity of what you ate, or does it cease to be divine when as it absorbs? what is the science of how the eucharist increases your holiness in this regard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 you do share in the divinity as it absorbs into your body. as the digestive process takes place and what has been digested is broken up to the point where it ceases to have the properties of bread, then what has been digested ceases to be the Body of Christ. but insofar as it has been absorbed into your physical self you receive the grace, as you are prepared and willing to accept it into your soul, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1170543' date='Jan 19 2007, 03:13 PM'] you do share in the divinity as it absorbs into your body. as the digestive process takes place and what has been digested is broken up to the point where it ceases to have the properties of bread, then what has been digested ceases to be the Body of Christ. but insofar as it has been absorbed into your physical self you receive the grace, as you are prepared and willing to accept it into your soul, of course. [/quote] I have learned this recently. Is their a deffinite line at which there is little enough appearance that the Real Presence dissapears? I would think the presence remains as long as any appearance remains even at the molecular level. Has this understanding has ever been pronounced authoritativly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I have heard that it takes a normal, healthy stomach about 20-30 minutes to digest the Sacred Host, so He is truly present [i]with[/i] us, physically and spiritually, for about that amount of time. Of course, the Sanctifying Grace of just [b]one[/b] Holy Communion is enough to make us a saint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 20, 2007 Share Posted January 20, 2007 The Church teaches that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Eucharist as long as the accidents (physical properties) of bread and wine remain. Once broken down and digested, Christ is no longer physically present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 [quote name='Socrates' post='1170834' date='Jan 19 2007, 06:52 PM'] The Church teaches that Jesus Christ is truly present in the Eucharist as long as the accidents (physical properties) of bread and wine remain. Once broken down and digested, Christ is no longer physically present. [/quote] Ok, what is the hightest level this has been taught? De Fide, theological opinion, speculation etc? Who what when where was this taught? I have problems finding the source in the CCC or Denzinger ( I have not yet check Ott). Second, don't the physical properties remain at some level even after digestion for all food? As I understand, scientists can trace the smallest level of food from stomach until use, either stored energy, building of tissue (bones, skin, muscle etc). If we can still track the appearance of a piece of coagulated milk from stomach to use in the body, wouldn't the eucharist maintain the presence of Christ futher than just 30 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 [quote name='jswranch' post='1174850' date='Jan 24 2007, 02:45 PM'] Ok, what is the hightest level this has been taught? De Fide, theological opinion, speculation etc? Who what when where was this taught? I have problems finding the source in the CCC or Denzinger ( I have not yet check Ott). Second, don't the physical properties remain at some level even after digestion for all food? As I understand, scientists can trace the smallest level of food from stomach until use, either stored energy, building of tissue (bones, skin, muscle etc). If we can still track the appearance of a piece of coagulated milk from stomach to use in the body, wouldn't the eucharist maintain the presence of Christ futher than just 30 minutes? [/quote] This was what I was taught in my (quite orthodox) Catholic Doctrine course in college, and it seems I have seen this confirmed in other orthodox Catholic sources, though unfortunately I can't recall any exact recourses off the top of my head, but I think this teaching is ancient Catholic Tradition. I don't think it's ever been formally defined at exactly what point the accidents of bread and wine cease to exist, but I don't think this applies to the molecular level or anything. Otherwise (at the risk of being crude) we would have to worship what is in the crapper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 THe time is usually considered 20-30 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffpugh Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 We do not assimilate Christ, but Christ assimilates us! Lets not stray from that way of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatty07 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) Well, there's no such thing as a molecule of bread. Bread is made of entirely of molecules that are found elsewhere as well, so the line we're asking about must be somewhere between molecular level and the whole host. But we can't establish objective criteria. The concept of "as long as it retains the accidents of bread and wine" is definitely a consensus, if not dogma. But that's subjective too. I don't mean the truth of it is subjective, just that the determination is. E.g., "Looks like bread to me." "No way, I don't think so at all." There's no scientific test to validate either position. So while one's curiosity is definitely aroused regarding more exact knowledge, the fact is that we don't know. How big a crumb? What about subliminated gases from the Precious Blood? We don't know. Also, regarding the absorption of divinity, it's important to distinguish Catholic faith from the gnostic idea, in which you really walked around with little god particles in you, which you pick up from what you eat and gather into your body somehow. That's a materialistic view that reflects a very small idea of 'god.' Edited February 5, 2007 by beatty07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 This is gross, but what if I vomit less than 20-30 minutes after receiving? Do I have to clean it up a special way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) [quote name='prose' post='1185479' date='Feb 5 2007, 12:34 PM'] This is gross, but what if I vomit less than 20-30 minutes after receiving? Do I have to clean it up a special way? [/quote] Yes, you have to put the vomit down the sacrarium and purify the bowl in which you vomited. At least I think so... Edited February 5, 2007 by StThomasMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didymus Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 [quote name='StThomasMore' post='1185494' date='Feb 5 2007, 01:50 PM'] Yes, you have to put the vomit down the sacrarium and purify the bowl in which you vomited. At least I think so... [/quote] I thought you could bury it on sacred or untrampled ground. I dont think you throw vomit down the sacrarium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 [quote name='Didymus' post='1185513' date='Feb 5 2007, 01:23 PM'] I thought you could bury it on sacred or untrampled ground. I dont think you throw vomit down the sacrarium. [/quote] Yeah, I guess it may be disrespectful to throw vomit down the sacrarium. You answer sounds good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 How exactly do you purify a toilet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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