New Documentary Exposes Evangelical Hypocrisy/ Bush War Crimes

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1171439' date='Jan 20 2007, 05:15 PM']
I have a bible to thump because brave men and women resisted the Catholic church and were slaughtered for it. If it was not for brave men like Tyndale the mass would still be in Latin, the populace ignorant of the word of God, the priest corrupt and making merchandise of God's grace by selling indulgences and other foul things. The Catholic Church destroyed the word of God. They were so mad they lost their oppressive power they dug Tyndale up decades alter and burned him. After that they lost power because of their corruption. So no, I do not applaud the Catholic church for murderously trying to stop the spread of the Gospel.
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First of all, Tyndale was so bad a christian his own bishop tried him for heresy, and the King denounced his translation.
He had NOTHING to do with the Mass.
If you actually understood indulgances, you would not say that. Did men break Church and God's law in their behavior? Yep, just like the poor Anglicans of today.
The idea that the populace was ignorant of the Bible is also a load of carp.
The Bible had already been translated into venacular languages.
If we destroyed the Word of God, you would not have a Bible to thump.


To learn history is to cease to be protestant.
Go learn some actual facts.

[BrotherRaymond]

You didn't destroy it because faithful Christians resisted the tyrrany of the religious. It was excommunication or death to possess a bible in the common tongue. It wasn't until the Vatican II catholics were officially allowed to read the bible for themselves. Proof of the pudding is your vain assertions that horrible wars are justified. Traditions of men do not nullify the commands of God. Real Christians Don't Choose War.









[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1172404' date='Jan 21 2007, 05:15 PM']
First of all, Tyndale was so bad a christian his own bishop tried him for heresy, and the King denounced his translation.
He had NOTHING to do with the Mass.
If you actually understood indulgances, you would not say that. Did men break Church and God's law in their behavior? Yep, just like the poor Anglicans of today.
The idea that the populace was ignorant of the Bible is also a load of carp.
The Bible had already been translated into venacular languages.
If we destroyed the Word of God, you would not have a Bible to thump.
To learn history is to cease to be protestant.
Go learn some actual facts.
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[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1172441' date='Jan 21 2007, 06:20 PM']
You didn't destroy it because faithful Christians resisted the tyrrany of the religious. It was excommunication or death to possess a bible in the common tongue. It wasn't until the Vatican II catholics were officially allowed to read the bible for themselves. Proof of the pudding is your vain assertions that horrible wars are justified. Traditions of men do not nullify the commands of God. Real Christians Don't Choose War.
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Wrong again.
It was excommunication to own a poorly translated, heritical bible such as Tyndales. You are totally wrong about Catholics not being allowed to own Bibles or read them before Vatican II.
I am a Christian and I believe in fighting in a just war, you will just have to get over it.
You also keep ignoring that nagging little detail the that Bible is a Catholic Tradition put together by men. You forfeit you right to use it if you disqualify traditions of men.
Where would you be without a Bible to thump?

[BrotherRaymond]

Sister I agree the church is Catholic, just not roman Catholic.



[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1172455' date='Jan 21 2007, 06:32 PM']
Wrong again.
It was excommunication to own a poorly translated, heritical bible such as Tyndales. You are totally wrong about Catholics not being allowed to own Bibles or read them before Vatican II.
I am a Christian and I believe in fighting in a just war, you will just have to get over it.
You also keep ignoring that nagging little detail the that Bible is a Catholic Tradition put together by men. You forfeit you right to use it if you disqualify traditions of men.
Where would you be without a Bible to thump?
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[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1175346' date='Jan 24 2007, 10:33 PM']
Sister I agree the church is Catholic, just not roman Catholic.
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And the Pope is Head of The Catholic Church.

[Era Might]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1172441' date='Jan 21 2007, 05:20 PM']It wasn't until the Vatican II catholics were officially allowed to read the bible for themselves. Proof of the pudding is your vain assertions that horrible wars are justified.[/quote]
The Second Vatican Council took place between 1962-1965. Pope Benedict XV promulgated the Encyclical Letter "Spiritus Paraclitus" in 1915:

[quote]In a word, then: Jerome's teaching on the superexcellence and truth of Scripture is Christ's teaching. Wherefore we exhort all the Church's children, and especially those whose duty it is to teach in seminaries, to follow closely in St. Jerome's footsteps. If they will but do so they will learn to prize as he prized the treasure of the Scriptures, and will derive from them most abundant and blessed fruit.

[url="http://www.vatican.net/holy_father/benedict_xv/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xv_enc_15091920_spiritus-paraclitus_en.html"]http://www.vatican.net/holy_father/benedic...aclitus_en.html[/url][/quote]
St. Jerome is famous for the saying "Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ."

For Catholics, Scripture is primarily a Liturgical text. The two main acts of Catholic worship, the Holy Mass and the Divine Office, are saturated with Scripture. The Church has set hours throughout the day for the praying of Psalms and other texts such as the Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55). The Rosary, in fact, developed from the monastic tradition of praying 150 Psalms every day. Catholicism is a lived tradition, centered in the communion of the universal Church and not the individual; the natural "home" for Scripture is in our common worship, not in academic study. Private meditation on Scripture has always been a cornerstone of Catholic spirituality ("Lectio Divina" as it is called). There have also been academic students of Scripture throughout the Church's history, and with mass literacy and availability of texts, today it is even more common for lay people to study Scripture in that way. But the Catholic approach to Scripture will always be devotional and Liturgical before anything else, because the Gospel is not for the learned, but for the humble.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='BrotherRaymond' post='1175346' date='Jan 24 2007, 10:33 PM']
Sister I agree the church is Catholic, just not roman Catholic.
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You are right, to call us "roman" catholic is incorrect because we are simply Catholic. Roman is just one branch of the Catholic Church there are actually 21 other rites as well, plus the Anglican use Catholic Church.