DojoGrant Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/20/...ance/index.html He says he would support a change of the constitution to stop homosexual marriages. :peace: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 That is amesome!! Man, sometimes that George W really gets on my good side. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 It would be great if Jeb got George to join the Church. Jeb's a Knight of Columbus, 3rd Degree... I love FL. :D God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traichuoi Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 cool i didn't know his brother was a fellow Catholic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 My friend Bethany said her host brother in France thought that GWB's name was "Dubya" cuz he kept hearing American reports referring to the president like that. Haha. Anyway, I think this is a good sign. I just may have to vote Republican on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I'd hope so... Our Holy Father John Paul II has stated, Abortion and euthanasia are crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to "take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or vote for it." (The Gospel of Life, no. 73). http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_pau...m-vitae_en.html 73. Abortion and euthanasia are thus crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. From the very beginnings of the Church, the apostolic preaching reminded Christians of their duty to obey legitimately constituted public authorities (cf. Rom 13:1-7; 1 Pet 2:13-14), but at the same time it firmly warned that "we must obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29). In the Old Testament, precisely in regard to threats against life, we find a significant example of resistance to the unjust command of those in authority. After Pharaoh ordered the killing of all newborn males, the Hebrew midwives refused. "They did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but let the male children live" (Ex 1:17). But the ultimate reason for their action should be noted: "the midwives feared God" (ibid.). It is precisely from obedience to God-to whom alone is due that fear which is acknowledgment of his absolute sovereignty-that the strength and the courage to resist unjust human laws are born. It is the strength and the courage of those prepared even to be imprisoned or put to the sword, in the certainty that this is what makes for "the endurance and faith of the saints" (Rev 13:10). In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to "take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law, or vote for it".98 A particular problem of conscience can arise in cases where a legislative vote would be decisive for the passage of a more restrictive law, aimed at limiting the number of authorized abortions, in place of a more permissive law already passed or ready to be voted on. Such cases are not infrequent. It is a fact that while in some parts of the world there continue to be campaigns to introduce laws favouring abortion, often supported by powerful international organizations, in other nations-particularly those which have already experienced the bitter fruits of such permissive legislation-there are growing signs of a rethinking in this matter. In a case like the one just mentioned, when it is not possible to overturn or completely abrogate a pro-abortion law, an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and public morality. This does not in fact represent an illicit cooperation with an unjust law, but rather a legitimate and proper attempt to limit its evil aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Jeb's a Knight of Columbus, 3rd Degree... And I hope he beats Hilary in 2008..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 That speech was amesome. He came out in support of abstinence as well, and allowing Churches to compete for federal grants. Man, could you guys alert me when you're annexing my country? I can celebrate early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speech Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 And I hope he beats Hilary in 2008..... He won't have the chance. John Edwards is going to win in 2004, and he's going to serve two terms, so that Hillary doesn't have the chance to run and beat the Republicans until 2012. Watch and see if it doesn't happen. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 i pray for president bush, for he is the only one willing to fight for America and what dignity that is has left and is willing to take that stand against "those" who want to change the country for the worse. that is what makes him so great. we all should pray for him. bush is a very couragous man with a very big job!! im very proud of him and the stand his taking!! +JMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 i pray for president bush, for he is the only one willing to fight for America and what dignity that is has left and is willing to take that stand against "those" who want to change the country for the worse. that is what makes him so great ... im very proud of him and the stand his taking!! Yes, yes. He needs our prayers and vocal support. It is great to have a man of integrity in office. Also... thank you, Texas, for helping to make this all possible with "Former Governor" Bush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Yes, Bush is great... He's proved himself time and time again... great record in Texas, and doing great as Pres. Integrity is a big thing... the competition change their beliefs based on the people they are around... it's sad... they could be schizo, but who knows... Hilary will never be Pres.... nor will a woman be president for sometime, because of international issues, many middle east countries would not deal with a woman pres... and even some far east will not. I'm not saying a woman couldn't do the job, I'm sure there are some qualified women, but due to the rest of the world, I do not think it will happen. And as far as hilary is conserned, she's not fit to have the job she has, let alone the presidency. Edwards will loose. Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Edwards? If all the other candidates die except Lieberman, Kucinish and "the rev" I agree, he will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 I think it's good that Bush will stand up for some Christian values, but I don't like that he started the war w/ Iraq. Even the Holy Father said no and Bush did it anyway. What's worse? I will still vote for him b/c it's either him or the Devil, so I choose Bush. Wish there were someone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 He won't have the chance. John Edwards is going to win in 2004, and he's going to serve two terms, so that Hillary doesn't have the chance to run and beat the Republicans until 2012. Watch and see if it doesn't happen. Speech, I personally agree that Edwards has the strongest widespread appeal among the current Democratic candidates, but do you really objectively think he's going to beat Bush? Not that I'm a huge fan of GW, but unless some sort of major catastrophe happens to him or because of him between now and November I don't see it happening. I think we're getting Dubya for another four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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