Tridentine Ordination

[goldenchild17]

[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1160639' date='Jan 10 2007, 12:34 PM']
I would appreciate seeing those videos especially.

My email:

acatholiclife[at]gmail[dot]com
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Sorry I forgot about this. I'll try and send them tonight.


[quote name='phatcatholic' post='1161925' date='Jan 11 2007, 08:33 PM']
I'll give you one thing: you all know the old-school documents of the Church like the back of your hand. That's something I've always been impressed by.
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Eh, not me. I know that there topics covered in a number of documents. What those documents exactly are and what they exactly say without looking them up is something I'm not good at, at least not yet. My memory is too weak for this right now.

[brendan1104]

Hey, Colin would you mind sending me those videos too? (Is it by any chance "What We have Lost" in which case thanks, but no thanks, because I've already seen it.)

[goldenchild17]

Sure, I'll do it tonight. I can't recall what the title of it is but I'll check.

[Moneybags]

Hey, Colin would you mind sending me those videos too? (Is it by any chance "What We have Lost" in which case thanks, but no thanks, because I've already seen it.)

I've also seen that video. Overall, I enjoyed it.

[brendan1104]

If you've seen that video and still want to be a diocesan priest, I'm speechless.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='brendan1104' post='1162279' date='Jan 12 2007, 12:30 AM']
If you've seen that video and still want to be a diocesan priest, I'm speechless.
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Much better to be a faithful diocesan priest in the trenches than running for cover and then complaining

[brendan1104]

I'm just saying that people who watch the video generally don't return to 'mainstream' parish life and have nothing to do with the 'modern' church.

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1162881' date='Jan 12 2007, 04:38 PM']
Much better to be a faithful diocesan priest in the trenches than running for cover and then complaining
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[Moneybags]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1162881' date='Jan 12 2007, 05:38 PM']
Much better to be a faithful diocesan priest in the trenches than running for cover and then complaining
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Amen! It's better to bring the Traditional Faith to the world than to go into a traditional order. I think all people should see the Traditional Catholic Faith.

[son_of_angels]

[quote name='St. Benedict' post='1164320' date='Jan 14 2007, 01:19 PM']
Amen! It's better to bring the Traditional Faith to the world than to go into a traditional order. I think all people should see the Traditional Catholic Faith.
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I greatly disagree, not with the fact that it's good to bring the Traditional Faith to the world, but that this is somehow superior to being either in a legitimate, traditional society of apostolic life or a traditional religious order. The first is ordered towards the sanctification of the community, but does not guarrantee or promote, as a neccessity, personal holiness. This is why diocesan priests are more correctly called "secular" i.e. "worldly" priests. This does not make them a bad thing, but one step down in relation to the "Angelic life" from religious priests. The second, for religious priests, is ordered towards personal sanctification, to draw one closer to the heavenly life. As selfish as this may sound, the actual point is that, having been brought close to God, such people are the spiritual center of the one Church of God. Now, a truly spiritual and traditional order will do this, I think, much better than one which has almost abandoned the monastic vocation entirely, whereas a traditional secular priest might simply be trying to promote his own perception of "traditionalism" over a people to whom he is supposed to identify and minister. Why then would this position be above the religious one?
However, all working for the best, especially when a traditional priest is working in his parish for the good of the parish and with a deep foundation in charitable spirituality and justice, it is likely that he AND the traditional religious will both accomplish a great thing for the Kingdom of God.

On the other hand, societies of apostolic life are a unique situation. Here we have a society, like the FSSP, made up of secular priests, joined together for personal holiness, and united in a common mission. This also has the ability to accomplish its goal for many, provided that it doesn't become to rigid and exclusive, in that it is uniquely suited to care for struggling traditional-minded parishes in the modern world. A diocesan priest is extremely good for arousing a new respect for the customs of the Church, and for reaching out to those not within the grasp of proper catechesis, and so he is invaluable, but a Fraternity priest can encourage those who have the opportunity for good catechesis and liturgy and encourage THEM to make the most of it to a world that needs it. We need good diocesan priests to sow the seeds, good fraternities to tend the plants, and good orders to reap the harvest; they are all neccessary so that the Table of the Mystical Body of Christ may be filled with the "first-fruits" of salvation, and the mirth of Thanksgiving full.