The Gift Of The Spirit - Lesson 1, The Gift Of Discernment

[FullTruth]

I have stated that I have come to feed the sheep of Jesus. And because it has offended some of his little ones, I will refrain from posting such teachings here on this forum.

I dare not anger the Almighty, because if we offend one of his little ones, he grows extremely angry to those who do so.

Forgive me all.

I shall only reply to posts when the Lord shows me the person is in error, nothing more, nothing less.

Edited January 9, 2007 by FullTruth

[FullTruth]

[quote name='rkwright' post='1159106' date='Jan 8 2007, 05:32 PM']
You have not proven your case at all. You may have made an argument that Al's version of where the Gensis account came from might not be accurate. But please... to call it Satanic?

I'll point you to your own thread and show how the exact same logic can be used against you.

In your thread on the Trinity you denied the Holy Trinity. The Holy Trinity is a dogma, founded in scripture, of the Holy Catholic Church who is the sole authority in teaching.

Therefore we see 'someone who is only here to create confusion and disunity. He admits he has studied, and probably practices the mystery religion of the Babylonians, and then profanes YHWH by saying Judaism is just a moralization of their practices.' (Note those are your own words not mine)

And there you go... using your logic the case is proven.
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I will go no farther into this topic than to say this.

He used the idea he presented to support Evolution, which is a Satanic teaching. If you don't believe me when I say it is Satanic, that is okay.

So he supports a Satanic ideal with more Satanic ideals. His theory proposes that the Jewish religious leaders took Satanic teachings of the Babylonians to write the accounts of creation to teach the Jewish people to live holy lives.

If his argument was true, then it would mean this.

First of all, that means the Jewish leaders were out to control the people, if that is true. You can't pass a lie for the truth without some intention to control people's thinking.

So he passes off a bunch of lies, either being deceived already, which I will admit that he could be, or knowing the truth and passing off lies to confuse everybody on the subject. So his entire argument was Satanic in origin.

I only come here to stand for the truth that God has given me, and to feed the sheep of his flock.

I have not come here to dismantle or discourage anybody from being Catholic. God calls all of us in different ways so he can have a relationship with us. I am here to call those who wish to have a relationship with him to a closer walk with him.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1159513' date='Jan 9 2007, 12:22 AM']
I will go no farther into this topic than to say this.

He used the idea he presented to support Evolution, which is a Satanic teaching. If you don't believe me when I say it is Satanic, that is okay.

So he supports a Satanic ideal with more Satanic ideals. His theory proposes that the Jewish religious leaders took Satanic teachings of the Babylonians to write the accounts of creation to teach the Jewish people to live holy lives.

If his argument was true, then it would mean this.

First of all, that means the Jewish leaders were out to control the people, if that is true. You can't pass a lie for the truth without some intention to control people's thinking.

So he passes off a bunch of lies, either being deceived already, which I will admit that he could be, or knowing the truth and passing off lies to confuse everybody on the subject. So his entire argument was Satanic in origin.

I only come here to stand for the truth that God has given me, and to feed the sheep of his flock.

I have not come here to dismantle or discourage anybody from being Catholic. God calls all of us in different ways so he can have a relationship with us. I am here to call those who wish to have a relationship with him to a closer walk with him.
[/quote]
Evolution is not satanic. The word covers vast territory from micro to macro with all the possible points in between.

How to you define the word?
Which particular part of evolution do you disagree with?
Do you understand all the different nuances of the term?

Instead of conveniently labelling it satanic, what don't you try discussing it?
BTW Labeling people is a violation of our guidelines, so kindly do not do it again.

[rkwright]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1159513' date='Jan 8 2007, 11:22 PM']
I will go no farther into this topic than to say this.

He used the idea he presented to support Evolution, which is a Satanic teaching.[/quote] You need to prove that claim. Maybe I'm willing to believe you if you can do more than just throw out claims like that.


[quote]If his argument was true, then it would mean this.

First of all, that means the Jewish leaders were out to control the people, if that is true. [/quote]This is a huge logical leap you're making here. I won't accept it until you present some evidence or the argument here.
[quote]You can't pass a lie for the truth without some intention to control people's thinking.[/quote]
An interesting claim, maybe even reasonable, but backed by nothing.

[quote]So he passes off a bunch of lies, either being deceived already, which I will admit that he could be, or knowing the truth and passing off lies to confuse everybody on the subject. So his entire argument was Satanic in origin.[/quote]
1-I'm not going to defend what he said, hopefully he'll jump in here to defend it.
2- You need to prove that what he said was actually lies
3- Saying that his arguments are lies and then equating them to Satanic origin is a terrible jump. Again your arguments on the trinity were 'lies' and by using your own argument it must be Satanic in origin.

Again as cmom stated, who gives you authority to 'teach' on this?

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1159526' date='Jan 9 2007, 12:35 AM']
Evolution is not satanic. The word covers vast territory from micro to macro with all the possible points in between.

How to you define the word?
Which particular part of evolution do you disagree with?
Do you understand all the different nuances of the term?

Instead of conveniently labelling it satanic, what don't you try discussing it?
BTW Labeling people is a violation of our guidelines, so kindly do not do it again.
[/quote]
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Ephesians 5:11.

That is why I will not debate the idea of Evolution, but I reprove those who say such things.

Evolution is a Satanic Ideal, and the only thing believers should do is reprove those who believe such things. It's that, or we go against the Apostolic Traditions of the Bible.

That is why I will not debate it.

What communion does Light have with Darkness.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1159614' date='Jan 9 2007, 01:24 AM']
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Ephesians 5:11.

That is why I will not debate the idea of Evolution, but I reprove those who say such things.

Evolution is a Satanic Ideal, and the only thing believers should do is reprove those who believe such things. It's that, or we go against the Apostolic Traditions of the Bible.

That is why I will not debate it.

What communion does Light have with Darkness.
[/quote]
But if you don't debate or discuss evolution, why should anyone pay attention to your opinion?

I believe God created everything using various processes of evolution to achieve His goals. That His thought created such a marvelous and complicated process to bring and sustain Creation only shows more of His majesty and power and might. Evolution leads me to Almighty God.

[FullTruth]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1159653' date='Jan 9 2007, 01:45 AM']
But if you don't debate or discuss evolution, why should anyone pay attention to your opinion?

I believe God created everything using various processes of evolution to achieve His goals. That His thought created such a marvelous and complicated process to bring and sustain Creation only shows more of His majesty and power and might. Evolution leads me to Almighty God.
[/quote]
Evolution once did the same for me too.

God will use anything he can to make him believe in him.

All things, including Satanic things, work for Good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose.

That doesn't mean God endorses the idea, but used it to bring people to belief in him.

In the past 40 years Teenage Suicide, drug, porn, sex, and alcohol addictions have been on the rise.

Read this report.

[url="http://www.cognitivetherapynyc.com/pdf/connor.pdf"]Prevalence of Aggression, Antisocial behaviours, and Suicide.[/url]

This report alone can say there there has been an increase in Anti-Social behaviour in the teenage population.

How did this happen?

Because Evolution gets taught in the schools.

If you're told that you came from slime, than you can act like slime. Theistic Evolution, God creating us through a directed evolution is one step away from, God is not needed for Evolution at all.

[SRMiller]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1159717' date='Jan 9 2007, 09:14 AM']
Evolution once did the same for me too.

God will use anything he can to make him believe in him.

All things, including Satanic things, work for Good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose.

That doesn't mean God endorses the idea, but used it to bring people to belief in him.

In the past 40 years Teenage Suicide, drug, porn, sex, and alcohol addictions have been on the rise.

Read this report.

[url="http://www.cognitivetherapynyc.com/pdf/connor.pdf"]Prevalence of Aggression, Antisocial behaviours, and Suicide.[/url]

This report alone can say there there has been an increase in Anti-Social behaviour in the teenage population.

How did this happen?

Because Evolution gets taught in the schools.

If you're told that you came from slime, than you can act like slime. Theistic Evolution, God creating us through a directed evolution is one step away from, God is not needed for Evolution at all.
[/quote]

Okay, so I read through the article, and failed to see a connection with evolution. I agree these rates have risen, and I agree that it's horrible, but I think there are multiple factors at play here. I also think the reasoning is flawed in "acting like slime". Whether you believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis or evolution, we came from dust. I am both humbled by this and in awe at the power of God to do this. I personally do believe in evolution, perhaps partly because of my field of study. But it no way lessens God's creation, because if evolution was His plan, then it is perfect. Either way creation is an awesome miracle.

[Aloysius]

all this trouble over little ol' me?

I referenced the fact that the Genesis Creation account was designed as a complete anti-thesis to the Babylonian creation myths, and said that macro-evolution was a possibility. your biblical quotes against pagan gods do not prove me wrong. it is an anti-thesis to their creation myths, each day of creation being like each generation of babylonian gods with the culmination reversing the horrid creation of man by a matricidal marduk in the sixth generation with a loving creation of a loving God on the sixth day.

I am interested in what the Sacred Authors intended to teach with their writings in Genesis. all indications are that they did not intend to provide a scientific discourse on the nature of the origin of the human body; though they did intend to teach that God created two original humans from which we all came from, that they sinned and caused the fallen state of humanity, that the world was ordered, moral, and purposed unlike the babylonian chaotic mess which stemmed from matricide, et cetera. the teaching of the scriptures is clear and profound; and it has nothing to do with the make-up of matter or the relative origin of material bodies (though it does certainly deal with their ultimate origin).

I actually think it very likely that God created Adam and Eve without macro-evolution at all, and that all extinct similar beings that we find fossilizations were merely other species, perhaps on their own timeline of macro-evolution perhaps not, all minor beasts of the same family as our own bodies and the bodies of modern apes are: primates.

but all I can say for absolute fact according to the scriptures is what I have said before about what the Sacred Authors actually intended to teach.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='FullTruth' post='1159717' date='Jan 9 2007, 04:14 AM']
Evolution once did the same for me too.

God will use anything he can to make him believe in him.

All things, including Satanic things, work for Good for those who love God and are called according to his purpose.

That doesn't mean God endorses the idea, but used it to bring people to belief in him.

In the past 40 years Teenage Suicide, drug, porn, sex, and alcohol addictions have been on the rise.

Read this report.

[url="http://www.cognitivetherapynyc.com/pdf/connor.pdf"]Prevalence of Aggression, Antisocial behaviours, and Suicide.[/url]

This report alone can say there there has been an increase in Anti-Social behaviour in the teenage population.

How did this happen?

Because Evolution gets taught in the schools.

If you're told that you came from slime, than you can act like slime. Theistic Evolution, God creating us through a directed evolution is one step away from, God is not needed for Evolution at all.
[/quote]
Guess what - my generation was NOT taught evolution in public schools, and my generation gave you Woodstock and free love, so go figure.

There is no correlation between the teaching of evolution and the behavior of todays teenagers.

[Theologian in Training]

Question: Is it possible that FullTruth and 777 are the same person? Grammar seems very similar and argument as well. I don't know, just a thought.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1159795' date='Jan 9 2007, 11:08 AM']
Question: Is it possible that FullTruth and 777 are the same person? Grammar seems very similar and argument as well. I don't know, just a thought.
[/quote]
Not unless their computers are bi-locating.

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1159839' date='Jan 9 2007, 12:06 PM']
Not unless their computers are bi-locating.
[/quote]

Well, clears it up for me

Thanks

God Bless

[SJRod55]

A good article. Thank you

[Aloysius]

it appears the main confusion which has caused this dilluted soul to think I have some sort of deal with satan is his misreading and misunderstanding of my words. when I say that the Genesis Story 'turns around' the pagan creation myths and gives it morality, I mean it totally reverses it (keeping in tact their scientific natural order, each day God creates the aspect of nature corresponding to the generation of babylonian gods). it is the anti-thesis to the story of Gilgamesh.

he seems to have the argumentative disease so very prevelant among folks of his type by which he is unable to distinguish actually proving causation with the argumentation fallacy "cum hoc ergo propter hoc"

you show two things, correlate them, and assume you have proven causation. for example: you show evolution is taught in school, and that immorality rates have gone up. you have not connected the two, merely showed that they both exist.

or you show my quote which includes reference to babylonian gods as the inverted archetypes of the seven days of creation. you show the bible condemns worship of pagan gods, and assume I practice the religion of mystery babylon. sure, I said the word "babylonian god", but my entire context was about how they should be inverted and rebuked and that morality and order is part of creation (and that that is the point of Genesis)

it's just a little missing link in your logic, FT, and you really ought to consciously attempt to mend it and actually prove links between A and B before shouting off about them.