The Truth About Rock Music

[Lil Red]

Rock N Roll Ain't Noise Pollution

[Didymus]

What is the song 'Mantra' about anyway? The Tool song that isnt really a song (more like echoed whale communication that just gets louder and louder), but its right before 'schism' on that particular album. It literally scares the devil out of me.

I read just now that a mantra is some sort of cantation of the occult.

kinda freakin me out...

i think the scariest thing about that album is that it is set up to be repeated over and over. The last track (theres a guy freakin out) seems to fit right into the beginning of the first track.

[Fixxxer]

yeah, how bout we pass up tool

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Didymus' post='1163592' date='Jan 13 2007, 11:01 AM']
"Yeah we sell out....EVERY SEAT IN THE HOUSE..... everytime we play, everywhere we play..."

-Jason Newsted
[/quote]
That is the dumbest qoute I've ever heard. People say metallica sold out, and theyre like "hell yeah we did and we are proud of it. Anything to make a buck."

[Didymus]

well when you've heard it as long as they have (since their second album, with Fade to Black) while still maintaining such a wide fanbase, then how else are they suppose to handle the haters, except discredit them?

i think the quote is kinda cheezy, but thats cuz I dont really like Jason (pluckers unite!)

[Fixxxer]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1169962' date='Jan 19 2007, 03:18 AM']
That is the dumbest qoute I've ever heard. People say metallica sold out, and theyre like "hell yeah we did and we are proud of it. Anything to make a buck."
[/quote]

Well people only are quoting what the band said.. I mean if you have been to one of their shows not many empty seats around

[Jesus_lol]

i dont mind if metallica sold out. i personally cant stand any of their newer songs, after giving them a try. "im madly in anger with you" is just a stupid lyric.

well, no matter how much they start sucking now, doesnt change the fact that all their old albums are awesome!

[xTrishaxLynnx]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1171411' date='Jan 20 2007, 03:06 PM']
i dont mind if metallica sold out. i personally cant stand any of their newer songs, after giving them a try. "im madly in anger with you" is just a stupid lyric.

well, no matter how much they start sucking now, doesnt change the fact that all their old albums are awesome!
[/quote]

ditto all of that.

[avemaria40]

My parents raised me on rock music and I ended up being the religious one in the family. My bf is also one of the most devout Christians I know and we listen to alot of the same music. Honestly, I find myself thinking worse things when hearing some forms of rap/hiphop (not the stuff on Phatmass, more like Daddy Yankee, 50 Cent, etc.) I find that a lot of rock music identifies with many facets of the human spirit. It certainly helps me deal when I'm depressed, angry, etc. and a lot healthier than taking my anger out on others.

[xTrishaxLynnx]

[quote name='avemaria40' post='1171459' date='Jan 20 2007, 04:44 PM']
My parents raised me on rock music and I ended up being the religious one in the family. My bf is also one of the most devout Christians I know and we listen to alot of the same music. Honestly, I find myself thinking worse things when hearing some forms of rap/hiphop (not the stuff on Phatmass, more like Daddy Yankee, 50 Cent, etc.) I find that a lot of rock music identifies with many facets of the human spirit. It certainly helps me deal when I'm depressed, angry, etc. and a lot healthier than taking my anger out on others.
[/quote]

Makes sense. Rock music tends to speak more to all of the feelings we experience, not just to hate, desire, greed, and to being a victim (which I find most of today's rap to focus on) Not to say that rock doesn't ever speak to those things, but there's tons of good rock out there if you choose wisely what you listen to.

[Anastasia13]

There is also something to be said for looking not just at what the lyrics say, but also evaluating the effect on ourselves and discerning whether it is good or bad.

Perhaps lyrics that don't say the best things make someone want to pray for people like that rather than want to be like that, depending on where they are.

Then there are songs that don't have anything to do with God but aren't so explicitly opposed to Christianity like Linkin Park's [i]In the End[/i]. I consider this the theme song to one fo the first quarters of college for me. It reminded me through the lyrics that in the end what I do matters (as in not just wasting time and my life) only if it is what I do with God and in keeping with His will and that in the end I still need to put my trust in Him when things seem tough.

Even when ill-written music with awkward beats are put even with the best lyrics, the music is still wack. One of the things that makes rock so popular is the sound. Beautiful sound is one of the ways that music glorifies God through the use and expression of God-given creativity.

Even songs that don't have quite light and happy and life is good kind of lyrics cans still be encouraging. For example, Evanescence's songs are not always about happy things, but they are often about experiences in life. It can be encouraging for some to know that when they are in a tough place, others have been there too.

The best rule of thumb in deciding whether it is ok to listen to a song or not is that of love. Does it influence you to not love God or others or to do so more? Is it going to harm others in their walk as a Christian if you are listening to that music?

Music of any genre, like other media, is a means of human expression. Like the people who write it, music contains both good and bad. What this means for us as Christians is that we need to use discernment when deciding whether or not we will listen to a song.

[TruthSeeker777]

The problem is however,when you sin(even unknowingly through a lack of knowledge) your gift
of descernment are taken away from you.

You listen to a satanic artist with all sorts of backmasking on the album, eventually you WILL get affected.
If you support(listen) to an artist that sold his sole to the devil like 99% of super famous people.
You indirectly support the devil.

If you think you don't.your'e living in la la land.
A big wake up call is awaiting you.

Always ask yourself-What wull JESUS do????

If you think Jesus will fill his mind with rubbish,you are indeed a lost soul.

Love Jesus.

Edited January 22, 2007 by Truthseeker777

[Phoenix Reborn]

I think YOU should wake up. They're listening to metal rock music, but YOU'RE the one posting anti-Catholic websites here and believeing it!

Normally, I HATE rock music, but that doesn't mean I ain't gonna defend it!

Edited January 22, 2007 by Phoenix Reborn

[Aloysius]

there are honest critiques to be made of modern forms of music which ought to lead one not to listen to it as their primary form of entertainment... about how it departs and severs from the musical tradition of western cultures and evokes the base emotions in a way that harms any hope of being a civilized Christian gentleman... but of course this nonsense ("oh no, it's devil-worship, see I have proof in my self-defeating circular arguments!") makes all of us rock-music-haters look bad

I don't dislike modern types of music solely for their lyrics. the style ought to be taken with an extreme grain of salt because it really can damage your psyche by its nature of evoking emotional responses and overwhelming the senses. it's the kind of stuff folks in non-western civilizations try to sheild their children from because such an overload of shallow sense overwhelming will inevitably break up their tightly knit cosmology... I think of the Coptic Christians in Egypt who take a very intellectual stand against western medias (but still sneak off to watch our movies and dance to our music, they just sheild their kids from it and try to preserve their culture) and even the muslims who take a more angry 'this music is destroying us: denounce it denounce it denounce it it' satanic!' stance (though, they themselves still sneak off to watch our movies and dance to our music)

but anyway, just wanted to include a little blurb of sanity from the logical Catholic side that dislikes rock music, at least as a predominant source of musical entertainment for anybody, as well... don't really feel like gettin into this discussion (especially not in the way this thread was started) but I've said my shpeil on the topic many times, so a search can be made for my full position. I'll just say: be wary of emotionalism-based music; even if you listen to it sometimes to unwind, do not let it become your primary means of musical entertainment... it really will rot your mind like too much candy rots the teeth. taken in moderation, it can be alright though.

[Didymus]

First of all, I cant stand it when people look deeper into Linkin Park song lyrics. I cant really think of any band farther from an agenda then LP. Their lyrics are even cheezy sometimes cuz they're so generically associated with original lyric patterns dealing with human relationships.

Secondly, thank you truthseeker for giving me that apparently researched statistic of 99% pertaining to 'super famous people.' Not one more, nor less!
I'll bet you could even name the 1% of super famous people that haven't sold the bottoms of their shoes to the devil.

Edited January 22, 2007 by Didymus