Lil Red Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 [url="http://www.catholicvoiceoakland.org/2005/05-09-19/bishopscolumn.htm"]Bishop Allen H. Vigneron's Column[/url] [b]1. The Rule of Charity: “Charity is primary.”[/b] This has to be the place to start whenever we disagree with one another: with love. St. Paul said: “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal” (1 Cor. 13:1). No matter how wise my insights or astute my plans, they count for nothing if I do not offer them with love. Now, that charity is the first and fundamental requirement for all authentic Christian speech does not mean that such speaking can only be weak, but it does mean that whatever is said ought always to be offered respectfully and for the genuine service of others, especially my hearers. In fact, all of St. Paul’s sage advice in the “Hymn to Charity” in 1 Cor. 13 spells out eloquently this “Rule.” [b]2. The Rule of Publicity: “Think with the mind of the Church.”[/b] This rule is simply a translation of the Latin axiom “Sentire cum Ecclesia.” This means that, when we disagree, the final measure for judging what’s on target and what’s off the mark is what the Church thinks, not, ultimately, what you think or what I think – not private opinion, but what the Church has said to all to know. This is the reason I call this the “The Rule of Publicity.” The criterion for our deciding our disagreements is not one’s own private opinions, but the mind of the People of God, what the Church thinks. In order to apply this rule effectively, we need to use a corollary: “Measure everything against the authoritative documents of the Magisterium.” The logical question to follow any call for us to “think with the mind of the Church” is: How do I know what that is? The answer is: “Look in the places where the Church has expressed her mind with authority.” Look in the writings of the Councils and the popes, in the Church’s laws, and in the teachings of her Fathers and Doctors. Any survey or poll, no matter how extensive or accurate, if it contradicts the Magisterium, is not the Church’s mind. [b]3. The Rule of Legitimate Freedom: “What the Church allows is not to be disallowed.”[/b] This rule means that in situations where the Church says that a variety of views or opinions is legitimate, I should not impose my option as a mandate on others. For example: we can receive Holy Communion in the hand or on the tongue. Either one is acceptable. [b]4. The Rule of Catholic Freedom: “There’s something for everybody, but not everything is for everybody.”[/b] This fourth rule is an extension of the one above. It applies the same sort of respect for diversity to the wider spheres of our common life. This rule is based on the recognition that “It’s a big Church.” God has given gifts of grace in an almost dizzying variety. Some folks are attracted to the Carmelite Third Order, others gather for charismatic prayer. Nobody has to live the Christian life exactly the way I do. Remember: “Think (and act) with the mind of the Church.” We need to respect every practice or approach that has a legitimate place in the life of the Church, and we cannot make our favorite practice or approach mandatory for others if the Church has not. [b]5. The Rule of Modesty: “Not all of my causes are God’s causes.”[/b] Yes, it’s true that in many cases we invest our heart’s devotion because that’s what God commands for all his people. But that’s not necessarily so in every instance. Some of my agendas are mine. It’s right to embark on projects with a zealous desire to give God glory, but I have to remember that while it may be his will for me to take this on, there are cases when it’s not his will for everyone else to join me. [b]6. The Rule of Integrity: “To do evil in order to accomplish good is really to do evil.”[/b] Breaking one of God’s commandments is not the way to advance his Kingdom, ever. If, in the service of Christ, I act in an un-Christian way, I become a highly effective ally of the very forces I set out to combat. (Among those who are big “Star War” fans, this rule is sometimes referred to as the “Darth Vader Axiom.”) [b]7. The Rule of Realism: “Remember that Satan is eager to corrupt my efforts to build up the Kingdom, and he’s smart enough to figure out a way to do it."[/b] This rule is strong statement about the need for each of us in our disagreements to practice that form of realism, for which the more common name is “humility.” My cause may be right or my view may be true, but I have to watch that their goodness is not corrupted by my infidelity. [b]8. The Rule of Mystery: “Not all the habits and attitudes which belong to a society governed by a representative democracy are appropriate in the Church.”[/b] In every age there is a tendency – often unconscious – to shape the life of the Church after the pattern of the secular order of the day. In the Middle Ages, the governance of the Church was often configured to the feudal system of the times, sometimes with very harmful consequences. For example, bishops and abbots were identified with the barons of the nobility. In our own day, we could make a similar sort of mistake: thinking that the responsibility and authority of the Church’s pastors are of the same sort as that of our elected officials. In such mistaken identifications, what is at work is a forgetting that while the Church is, yes, a human reality, she is also a divine reality, a mystery, unlike any other community every known in the history of the world. The Church is neither a democracy nor a monarchy. She is the Church, the Lord’s own creation, constituted according to his will and plan. [b]9. The Petrine Rule: “Nobody ever built up the Church by tearing down the pope.”[/b] This rule follows quite logically from the one immediately above. The Holy Father’s leadership is part of the Church’s constitution from Christ. Because the pope is not the sort of democratic leader we are accustomed to in civil society, there is a tendency by some observers to characterize his office as a “throwback” to times that we have surpassed, a “burden” for the Catholic people that we would well be freed from. Not so. The pastoral care we receive from the Holy Father is a great grace, St. Peter’s own service of his fellow disciples continuing to this very day. A great pope makes us a better Church. [b]10. The Eschatological Rule: “The victory is assured; my job is to run out the clock with style.” [/b] Christ is risen – truly, body and soul risen and in glory at the Father’s right. He has conquered sin and death and all the forces that threaten us. Whatever is at stake in our trials or conflicts, the certainty of Christ’s victory is not in doubt. And he promised he would be with us always, until the end of time (cf. Mat. 28:20). He will never leave his Church, and his victory will be ours as long as we abide with him in his Mystical Body. This rule, of course, is not an excuse for giving less than our full effort to spread the Kingdom; that would be a kind of presumption. However, this rule is a call to remember that there is one Savior, and it’s not you or me. Our mission is to serve the Lord in fidelity and hope, and be ready for him to act, for he surely will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 i disagree on every count !!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted March 27, 2007 Share Posted March 27, 2007 Was that supposed to be humorous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 (edited) no, lame. was your comment suppose to also be lame, or were you going for just rude? or are you sincerly uncertain? Edited March 29, 2007 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Church Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 dairy is determined to be contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Church Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 dairy is determined to be contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggyjoan Posted April 2, 2007 Share Posted April 2, 2007 iggyjoan is in desperate need of a definition of contrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoosieranna Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 argumentative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 contrary = not just argumentative but argumentative for the sake of being argumentative, I am this way alllll the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reyb Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 [indent]It is good. Especially Rule No. 1. Correct.[/indent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted July 26, 2007 Share Posted July 26, 2007 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1215190' date='Mar 17 2007, 06:51 PM']i disagree on every count !!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] Would you care to elaborate? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmelitefriend Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Thought I share the article below where the same principles can be applied in newsgroup discussions as in classes... [size=3][b]Principles to Follow for Bible Study[/b][/size] 1. The Word of God is Jesus Christ, and the words of the Bible tell us about that Word. Therefore, when we study the words of the Bible we always look behind, in, and through those words for God's Word - Jesus Christ. 2. No Christian has a monopoly on understanding either God's Word or the words of the Scripture. This includes biblical scholars and the most unlearned Christian. All of us must listen to one another as we seek to understand the richness of God's gifts. 3. We must assume everyone has Christian integrity and not accuse one another of being unchristian, no matter how unusual are the opinions. 4. We must further assume that we will arrive at different understandings of portions of Scripture and that will not disturb God, as much as it will some of us. 5. Few of us will know Hebrew or Greek, and we therefore need to use a variety of English versions to try to understand the text. 6. While we accept our differences, we do not feel that those differences are unimportant, or that they should be ignored or treated as if they did not matter. 7. Different biblical understandings can remain among us, but we can still be warm Christian friends. In fact, as we grow to better understand our differences, we can grow in our appreciation of one another. [i]Adapted from Strengthening the Adult Sunday School Class by Johnsonville brat Murray. Copyright © 1981 Abington Press. Permission is granted for DISCIPLE use.[/i] Source: [url="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/discipleSFX/files/"]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/discipleSFX/files/[/url] May all have an enlightening in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nik Posted September 9, 2007 Share Posted September 9, 2007 [quote name='Lil Red' post='1157715' date='Jan 6 2007, 07:40 PM'][url="http://www.catholicvoiceoakland.org/05-09-19/bishopscolumn.htm"]Bishop Allen H. Vigneron's Column[/url] [b]1. The Rule of Charity: “Charity is primary.”[/b] This has to be the place to start whenever we disagree with one another: with love. St. Paul said: “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal” (1 Cor. 13:1). No matter how wise my insights or astute my plans, they count for nothing if I do not offer them with love. Now, that charity is the first and fundamental requirement for all authentic Christian speech does not mean that such speaking can only be weak, but it does mean that whatever is said ought always to be offered respectfully and for the genuine service of others, especially my hearers. In fact, all of St. Paul’s sage advice in the “Hymn to Charity” in 1 Cor. 13 spells out eloquently this “Rule.” [b]2. The Rule of Publicity: “Think with the mind of the Church.”[/b] This rule is simply a translation of the Latin axiom “Sentire cum Ecclesia.” This means that, when we disagree, the final measure for judging what’s on target and what’s off the mark is what the Church thinks, not, ultimately, what you think or what I think – not private opinion, but what the Church has said to all to know. This is the reason I call this the “The Rule of Publicity.” The criterion for our deciding our disagreements is not one’s own private opinions, but the mind of the People of God, what the Church thinks. In order to apply this rule effectively, we need to use a corollary: “Measure everything against the authoritative documents of the Magisterium.” The logical question to follow any call for us to “think with the mind of the Church” is: How do I know what that is? The answer is: “Look in the places where the Church has expressed her mind with authority.” Look in the writings of the Councils and the popes, in the Church’s laws, and in the teachings of her Fathers and Doctors. Any survey or poll, no matter how extensive or accurate, if it contradicts the Magisterium, is not the Church’s mind. [b]3. The Rule of Legitimate Freedom: “What the Church allows is not to be disallowed.”[/b] This rule means that in situations where the Church says that a variety of views or opinions is legitimate, I should not impose my option as a mandate on others. For example: we can receive Holy Communion in the hand or on the tongue. Either one is acceptable. [b]4. The Rule of Catholic Freedom: “There’s something for everybody, but not everything is for everybody.”[/b] This fourth rule is an extension of the one above. It applies the same sort of respect for diversity to the wider spheres of our common life. This rule is based on the recognition that “It’s a big Church.” God has given gifts of grace in an almost dizzying variety. Some folks are attracted to the Carmelite Third Order, others gather for charismatic prayer. Nobody has to live the Christian life exactly the way I do. Remember: “Think (and act) with the mind of the Church.” We need to respect every practice or approach that has a legitimate place in the life of the Church, and we cannot make our favorite practice or approach mandatory for others if the Church has not. [b]5. The Rule of Modesty: “Not all of my causes are God’s causes.”[/b] Yes, it’s true that in many cases we invest our heart’s devotion because that’s what God commands for all his people. But that’s not necessarily so in every instance. Some of my agendas are mine. It’s right to embark on projects with a zealous desire to give God glory, but I have to remember that while it may be his will for me to take this on, there are cases when it’s not his will for everyone else to join me. [b]6. The Rule of Integrity: “To do evil in order to accomplish good is really to do evil.”[/b] Breaking one of God’s commandments is not the way to advance his Kingdom, ever. If, in the service of Christ, I act in an un-Christian way, I become a highly effective ally of the very forces I set out to combat. (Among those who are big “Star War” fans, this rule is sometimes referred to as the “Darth Vader Axiom.”) [b]7. The Rule of Realism: “Remember that Satan is eager to corrupt my efforts to build up the Kingdom, and he’s smart enough to figure out a way to do it."[/b] This rule is strong statement about the need for each of us in our disagreements to practice that form of realism, for which the more common name is “humility.” My cause may be right or my view may be true, but I have to watch that their goodness is not corrupted by my infidelity. [b]8. The Rule of Mystery: “Not all the habits and attitudes which belong to a society governed by a representative democracy are appropriate in the Church.”[/b] In every age there is a tendency – often unconscious – to shape the life of the Church after the pattern of the secular order of the day. In the Middle Ages, the governance of the Church was often configured to the feudal system of the times, sometimes with very harmful consequences. For example, bishops and abbots were identified with the barons of the nobility. In our own day, we could make a similar sort of mistake: thinking that the responsibility and authority of the Church’s pastors are of the same sort as that of our elected officials. In such mistaken identifications, what is at work is a forgetting that while the Church is, yes, a human reality, she is also a divine reality, a mystery, unlike any other community every known in the history of the world. The Church is neither a democracy nor a monarchy. She is the Church, the Lord’s own creation, constituted according to his will and plan. [b]9. The Petrine Rule: “Nobody ever built up the Church by tearing down the pope.”[/b] This rule follows quite logically from the one immediately above. The Holy Father’s leadership is part of the Church’s constitution from Christ. Because the pope is not the sort of democratic leader we are accustomed to in civil society, there is a tendency by some observers to characterize his office as a “throwback” to times that we have surpassed, a “burden” for the Catholic people that we would well be freed from. Not so. The pastoral care we receive from the Holy Father is a great grace, St. Peter’s own service of his fellow disciples continuing to this very day. A great pope makes us a better Church. [b]10. The Eschatological Rule: “The victory is assured; my job is to run out the clock with style.” [/b] Christ is risen – truly, body and soul risen and in glory at the Father’s right. He has conquered sin and death and all the forces that threaten us. Whatever is at stake in our trials or conflicts, the certainty of Christ’s victory is not in doubt. And he promised he would be with us always, until the end of time (cf. Mat. 28:20). He will never leave his Church, and his victory will be ours as long as we abide with him in his Mystical Body. This rule, of course, is not an excuse for giving less than our full effort to spread the Kingdom; that would be a kind of presumption. However, this rule is a call to remember that there is one Savior, and it’s not you or me. Our mission is to serve the Lord in fidelity and hope, and be ready for him to act, for he surely will.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidius Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1215190' date='Mar 17 2007, 07:51 PM']i disagree on every count !!!!!!!!!!! [/quote] Is that a joke? why would something so well written and TRUE be wrong? If you disagree than you must mean you think the church should be imperialistic, just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorMaria Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 Call the other a heretic, shout and walk away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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