Guest Legion Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 4 years at teaching confirmation, and the 2nd time this has come up. The two types of judgement are: particular and general. I,ve read the Catacism and still do not understand it well enough to explain the differences to 10th graders. Hopefully someone will be able to help me understand this teaching better. Please be patient w/me as I might get nit picky. God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 My understanding is that we experience the particular judgement on an individual level right after we die and we know if we are going to heaven, hell or purgatory. And the general judgement, a.k.a. the final judgement will happen at the end of the world and is a corporate judgement. All of creation will be finished and time will end, the demons will be cast into hell forever (and damned souls), etc. Something that stinks about the final judgement is that everyone will see everyone else's deeds! Every sin will be made public! I don't know about you but I don't want my mom to know about some of the stuff I've done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I'll bet these articles have better things to say: General Judgement: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08552a.htm Particular Judgement: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08550a.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Something else: the catechism of the council of Trent has a good treatment on judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 And at the final judgment, at the end of the world, we will be united with our bodies. The damned will be damned, body and soul. The tryumphant will be tryumphant, body and soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 the general, or final judgment is only for those who are left at the end of creation right? if you've already recieved the particular judgment (b/c u died before the end of the world) then u don't recieve a second judgment (the general judgment) do you? i guess i have some researching to do.... pax christi, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 the general, or final judgment is only for those who are left at the end of creation right? if you've already recieved the particular judgment (b/c u died before the end of the world) then u don't recieve a second judgment (the general judgment) do you? i guess i have some researching to do.... pax christi, phatcatholic No, the final judgment is for all, the living and the dead. This includes the embodyment (the obtaining of a body) of the dead (tryumphant or otherwise). Now, for the question of how a Church tryumphant will be "judged" again... I can't answer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 No, the final judgment is for all, the living and the dead. This includes the embodyment (the obtaining of a body) of the dead (tryumphant or otherwise). Now, for the question of how a Church tryumphant will be "judged" again... I can't answer that. you disappoint me, soldier! collect further intel and report back to me ASAP!! that is a direct order, soldier!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillT Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I'm not an expert on this by any means, but if I remember correctly, the particular judgement occurs right after death, and the judged person is sent to heaven,hell, or pugatory. The general judgement occurs at the Second Coming of Christ, and is for all, including those who have died and already had a personal judgement. This judgement is public and witnessed by all, in order to show God's perfect justice. In other words, in this final judgement, all of our sins and good works will be exposed to others. Also, you can not "pass" one judgement and "fail" the other, the judgements are the same, only the general judgement will be public. That is my understanding anyway, I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 you disappoint me, soldier! collect further intel and report back to me ASAP!! that is a direct order, soldier!! Yes sir, drill sergeant, sir! http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08552a.htm 3. The Roman Catechism thus explains why, besides the particular judgment of each individual, a general one should also be passed on the assembled world: "The first reason is founded on the circumstances that most augment the rewards or aggravate the punishments of the dead. Those who depart this life sometimes leave behind them children who imitate the conduct of their parents, descendants, followers; and others who adhere to and advocate the example, the language, the conduct of those on whom they depend, and whose example they follow; and as the good or bad influence or example, affecting as it does the conduct of many, is to terminate only with this world; justice demands that, in order to form a proper estimate of the good or bad actions of all, a general judgment should take place. . . . Finally, it was important to prove, that in prosperity and adversity, which are sometimes the promiscuous lot of the good and of the bad, everything is ordered by an all-wise, all-just, and all-ruling Providence: it was therefore necessary not only that rewards and punishments should await us in the next life but that they should be awarded by a public and general judgment." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Legion Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Okay, so what I am looking at here is this: You die and get particular judgment, and when Christ comes again you get the general judgement. This I know and understand, but once your Blessed or Damned, does God bring you back at the end? Or is it; our time is linear and God's is not, so when God judges, the particular and general, it's actually the same time? See I can tell the students what the church says, but to explain it is where I'm having problems. If I'm not being clear please prompt me in the way I need to word it. God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Legion Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Sorry Jake, you must have posted while I was writing. That is explaining alot, but I'm missing something here. I don't know what. I think I'm gonna have to pray some more. but more info. would be great. soldier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Legion, When we die, we are particularly judged. It is a private matter (a one on one with you and God. He shows you your goods and bads, and makes the final descision). When the end of the world comes and there is the reserection of the dead, the dead and living will be united with their bodies. There will then be a general judgment. If you were particularly damned, then that is still your judgment. It isn't like you can get out. But what is different is that it is a public event. The whole world will know precisely why you are where you are. You are judged in public. If you are tryuphant, then you will still be tryuphant, you can't be sent to hell the second time. But you will be brought out in the public. The whole world will know precisely why you made it where you are. It is a public affair. So, the second judgment, the general judgment will be a public matter. For the Tryumphant it will probably be a most joyous celebration. You get new bodies and you experience heaven the way humans were meant, Body Soul and Spirit. For the damned it will be a very horrid day. You will experience hell at a new level, meaning bodily also. You will also be a sign to all of how grievous certain sins are to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 Kinda gives me a new ferver to STAY OUTA HELL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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