brandelynmarie Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 [quote name='In His Light' post='1151854' date='Dec 30 2006, 12:31 AM'] [b]Post disclaimer- person posting has had very little sleep for several weeks now and is grieving the violent death of 4 four friends, so please take what is said in that context![/b] Hi Pham, I guess in the spiritual sense I have hit the hall. The more I study the churches doctrine the more I find that I believe the opposite..... The main areas of conflict are- primacy of the Pope/Rome Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father/Son ordination of women contraception abortion (use in rape not allowed, so I'm told?!?) and a few other issues..... I have put the brakes on discernment......and I am wondering if by being baptised the right choice was made?????????????????? Right now I could walk away from the church and not bat an eye lid....yet there are aspects and doctrine I love..... Your advice please. Belinda [/quote] Belinda, you said you're going through a tough time right now and that is most probably the source of your difficulty. Faith is a bit like vitality: illness decrease our vitality, likewise certain things can decrease our faith. Sin can decrease our faith, but anything that scars us emotionally can also do that. We just have to endure to end and ask Jesus to help us with our Cross. In difficult times, the best thing to do is cross yourself and talk to Jesus, Mary, your guardian angel, and Saints. Your objections seem to reflect a "liberal" line of thinking. I think it's appropriate to ask why some of us naturally incline to that "liberal" line of thought. I think it has to do with the fact I was raised and inundated with liberal teaching from childhood. Just about all my teachers were liberals and so naturally my conscience was molded that way. For years I never questioned things like abortion because I was taught it was right. This however is unacceptable. God gives us the grace to see the ugliness in such things, we need only to accept it, and strive to acquire a Christian mind set. Lastly, for any problem like Primacy I suggest going to the foundation. Take a look at Matthew 16:18. Jesus' Church is built on Peter, and that Church will never be destroyed. If you look carefully you'll see Jesus is making a prophecy. The Pope sits on the chair (See) of Peter, and hence all those in union with the Successor of Peter are part of that Church Christ established. Those who deny this, say something silly like "Jesus was referring to Peter's confession." Any thought I had of rejecting Petrine Primacy was shattered with this verse, I simply can't reject the fact that Jesus is referring to Peter and not his confession. It's simply too obvious. Well, those are my 3 cents God bless, Mort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franimus Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 I encourage you to turn to Catholicism and stay strong in it. Satan attacks those he thinks are weak. He wants you to leave the Church because he knows it will harm you to do so. I also encourage you to receive the Eucharist daily, and while doing so, pray for the strength He provides. Above all, seek God and put your trust in Him. Give your life to Him. Offer everything as a sacrifice of love for Him who sacrificed himself for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmb144 Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Waving hello again. Just wanted to post a quick update of sorts. While my questions have not been settled, I am finally starting to heal up. Discernment is still on ice, but I will be making my oblation with Tyburn all the same. Once strong enough I'll dig into my questions, but not until I am ready. catch you all later, Belinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 [quote name='In His Light' post='1180855' date='Jan 30 2007, 09:10 PM'] Waving hello again. Just wanted to post a quick update of sorts. While my questions have not been settled, I am finally starting to heal up. Discernment is still on ice, but I will be making my oblation with Tyburn all the same. Once strong enough I'll dig into my questions, but not until I am ready. catch you all later, Belinda [/quote] Take you time and heal dearie, the Church will still be there God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 (edited) [quote]The main areas of conflict are- primacy of the Pope/Rome Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father/Son ordination of women contraception abortion (use in rape not allowed, so I'm told?!?) and a few other issues..... [/quote] These are hard issues to deal with. I would be happy to talk with you about these Belinda, I have loved ones at this moment going through these exact same issues. Please, think about these issues and open your mind to the loving word of your Phat-Phamily. [quote]abortion (use in rape not allowed, so I'm told?!?)[/quote] Also on the issues of Abortion. Many, many pro-abort doctors, and people use the argument against pro-life Christians that in case of rape children [b]have to live and be a nightmare to the victim their life[/b]. After speaking to a close family friend who is a doctor, he has stated that most people who fall prey to that type of logic do not realize that 95% of women, sadly who fall prey to rape [b]do not become pregnant[/b]. Horrifically, some of them go the opposite direction and end up not being able to have little ones of their own. Abortion organizations are realizing the threat of the pro-life movment and they are willing to use any type of crafty logic they can get their hands on, this includes throwing mud at religious organizations that are strictly pro-life and say that in case of rape they child has to live. However, in a sheer case when the woman does become pregant, sadly the child normally is a stillborn baby and 9 time out of 10 does not make it out of the womb alive. Even if the child did live, and you didn't abort it you could give it up for adoption so a [b]life is spared and you don't have to live with the nightmare[/b]. Please pray about this highly controverisal issue. Edited January 31, 2007 by GloriaIesusChristi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathoholic_anonymous Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Let her breathe. Let her rest. Let her heal. It is hard to study Catholic doctrine when your mind and her heart are sore. I am praying for you, Belinda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Pax Christi & Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 [quote name='In His Light' post='1180855' date='Jan 30 2007, 06:10 PM'] Waving hello again. Just wanted to post a quick update of sorts. While my questions have not been settled, I am finally starting to heal up. Discernment is still on ice, but I will be making my oblation with Tyburn all the same. Once strong enough I'll dig into my questions, but not until I am ready. catch you all later, Belinda [/quote] Belinda Keep us updated on how things go with your oblation. I am still discerning Tyburn in England, but now I am also thinking about the Mobile Alabama Visitation convent! I would be interested in hearing how Tyburn works for you. As for all your other theological concerns, about the controversies surrounding the Catholic Church: Mother Teresa simply said, on many occasions: they are temporary - they will pass. I am so sorry about your friends and pray that God will heal your heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmb144 Posted February 16, 2007 Author Share Posted February 16, 2007 Hello again, Well I come to ask your prayers as I have a most difficult choice to make...... Phamily.....my catholic spiritual life has fallen to bits. My faith in the church is shattered. My faith in some of her people is shattered....and I do not feel that I can call myself Catholic any longer..... I ask your prayers, this one last time......I am ready to walk away....... Belinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starets Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Certainly I will pray, Belinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmb144 Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 What I am about to say is very difficult and please don't think its not. Also before posting this I have let one of the mods know this already. I have the greatest respect for the church and her members and remain supportive to all here and will hold all of you in my prayers and continue to come here if I may. I have made a choice and I am not Catholic anymore.... I need to be open about this so I am posting here. Belinda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moneybags Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 [quote name='In His Light' post='1207515' date='Mar 3 2007, 09:34 PM']What I am about to say is very difficult and please don't think its not. Also before posting this I have let one of the mods know this already. I have the greatest respect for the church and her members and remain supportive to all here and will hold all of you in my prayers and continue to come here if I may. I have made a choice and I am not Catholic anymore.... I need to be open about this so I am posting here. Belinda[/quote] What are you if you have left Christ's Church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmb144 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 [quote]What are you if you have left Christ's Church?[/quote] I'm in the church that held my hand, the church that sent emails and cyber hugs and went to extraordinary lengths to help me. The church where the two most senior Revs, spent half and full nights in prayer for me. The church in which Rev C spent a number of nights well past his midnight talking with me on AIM.....and the church that saved my life quite literally......that is the church I'm in. And yes I am still very touchy.....I have much healing still to go....as to a name....that is between me and them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathoholic_anonymous Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 As I wrote in your other thread, Belinda, I'm glad that you have this friendship and support. You need it badly now. But...it still seems as though you are making your choices based on how kind people are to you. Members of your own parish weren't there for you when you needed them. These new friends were with you all the time. But the Blessed Sacrament in the Tabernacle never went away either, did He? And can your new friends offer you Him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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