Dave Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 To paraphrase a dead man: 'We are compelled to confess to the Papists, that without them, we would not have the scriptures.' :D High five for Will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 History is factual, unlike doctrine. Men may be able to make up false doctrines, but they cannot falsify history. bull. no serious historian ever says history is factual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce S Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 bull. no serious historian ever says history is factual. Iron Monk will prove you WRONG with 2,500 lines of cut and paste. AND... Then another will come and do it in Latin too! Gotta love this .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 actually i've asked ironmonk if he believes history can be factual 3 times, and he still hasn't answered. i'm assuming he understands it is ludicrous to believe that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewReformation Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 actually i've asked ironmonk if he believes history can be factual 3 times, and he still hasn't answered. i'm assuming he understands it is ludicrous to believe that... You're right, history isn't factual. The United States of America wasn't actually founded until 1923. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 24, 2004 Author Share Posted January 24, 2004 And Christ wasn't crucified in 33 AD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 And Christ wasn't crucified in 33 AD... maybe not. Scripture doesn't say what year. It doesn't really matter either what year it was. Our best scholars have concluded 33 A.D. though, and I agree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 24, 2004 Share Posted January 24, 2004 maybe not. Scripture doesn't say what year. It doesn't really matter either what year it was. Our best scholars have concluded 33 A.D. though, and I agree with them. I believe it's 33.3AD. :D ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 25, 2004 Author Share Posted January 25, 2004 bull. no serious historian ever says history is factual. Circle, if historians don't deal in fact, they necessarily deal in fiction. It's an either/or proposition. Events are either true or they're false. Protestants have been substituting historical fiction for fact for the last 487 years. But that doesn't change the facts. The true facts don't change. A real, genuine historian is trained to discern fact from fiction and to report the facts. I know of no distinguished historians -- honored for academic excellence in their field -- who graduated from Bible colleges. Students don't get a first-class, academic education at a Bible college. Instead, they get reinforcement for their narrow, distorted, sectarian, worldview based on yet another interpretation of the same Bible. Their PhD's also graduated from Bible colleges! Baptist Ph.D.'s don't agree with Presbyterian Ph.D.'s! The "history" taught in a Nazarene Bible College is not the same "history" taught in a Pentecostal Bible College, is not the same "history" taught in a Seventh-Day Adventist Bible College. No wonder you don't think history is factual. The history you've been taught is not factual -- It's distorted to match your school's ideology. Webster: HISTORY: 1. the branch of knowledge dealing with past events. 2. a continuous, systematic narrative of past events as relating to a particular people, country, period, person, etc., usually written as a chronological account. 3. the aggregate of past events. 4. the record of past events and times, especially in connection with the human race. 5. and the list goes on . . . Webster: FACT: 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth. 2. something known to exist or to have happened. 3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. 4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened. Real historians deal in facts (definitions 1, 2, and 3). Many Protestant "facts" fall under definition # 4. Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 no serious historian ever says history is factual. Interesting, so you obviously disagree with EVERY HISTORIAN WHO EVER LIVED. History is factual. It is by definition the study of what actually happenned. We may not know everything for certain, but whatever certainty we DO have is backed up by FACT. By Historical DOCUMENT and SOURCES. These are FACTS. I am a student of history. Every single one of my classmates and all of my professers would disagree with you. History is a fact. You're living it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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