SRMiller Posted December 24, 2006 Share Posted December 24, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1148018' date='Dec 23 2006, 03:03 PM'] welcome to phatmass. [/quote] Thanks. I was actually on here a few years ago when I was converting, and now I'm back. I tell ya, I find more reasons to love being Catholic every day, and to see the beauty in our Church. [quote name='scardella' post='1148131' date='Dec 23 2006, 05:51 PM'] The funny thing is that I've been fairly universally told that the wine back then was STRONGER, not weaker. That was the initial reason they would mix water in with the wine (before consecration, obviously, because after, it's blood...). [/quote] It was quite a bit stronger, and a bit thicker, I believe. That is why they mixed it with water regularly (not sure if that's why they did it at consecration, though). I've heard just about every other explanation during my time as a Southern Baptist, including the "weaker wine" argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Being Italian and German, with some Jewish ancestry, I see no problem with drinking alcohol occasionally. However, teetotaling is very admirable if you are called to it and I know there are times when it is required (i.e. if someone is an alcoholic or during the 9 mos. of pregnancy, etc. ) I intend to drink when I'm old enough but I'm not going to go crazy with it. Moderation is the key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I doubt if Italian Protestants would agree with American Protestants..... ReinnerR, LOVE the shirt!!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starets Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Back when I was a fundamentalist, the water-to-wine miracle either wasn't talked about at all or there was some way to redefine the wine as something non-alcoholic. For example some sort of raisin paste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 [quote name='Staretz' post='1149979' date='Dec 26 2006, 05:23 PM'] Back when I was a fundamentalist, the water-to-wine miracle either wasn't talked about at all or there was some way to redefine the wine as something non-alcoholic. For example some sort of raisin paste. [/quote] That still wouldn't work, warm weather and water [rain] added to any fruit causes the bacteria on the skin to start fermentation. Thus the annual spectacle in front of my house of pigeons drunk on the fermented mulberries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 [quote name='Staretz' post='1149979' date='Dec 26 2006, 05:23 PM'] Back when I was a fundamentalist, the water-to-wine miracle either wasn't talked about at all or there was some way to redefine the wine as something non-alcoholic. For example some sort of raisin paste. [/quote] Raisin paste??!! A likely story! I think the church my mom was raised in basically frowned on any alcohol use, too. However, this teetotaler stuff usually believed by "Bible Christians" is definitely an Unbiblical Tradition of Men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted December 27, 2006 Author Share Posted December 27, 2006 [quote name='Staretz' post='1149979' date='Dec 26 2006, 04:23 PM'] Back when I was a fundamentalist, the water-to-wine miracle either wasn't talked about at all or there was some way to redefine the wine as something non-alcoholic. For example some sort of raisin paste. [/quote] What is there to support that it is not actually alcoholic? Am I correct in saying that in Acts 2:13 they use the same terminology for the wine as in John 2:9? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 you know, I've never heard the word teetotalters before this thread...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2xbob Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I am mostly against alcohol for myself. I have a family history of alcoholism so thats one strike against its use, plus most people rebel against their parents a bit, well my rebellion came in the form of avoiding alcohol, doing good in school and finding religion (It was the best a rebellion could go). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starets Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1150007' date='Dec 26 2006, 06:22 PM'] That still wouldn't work, warm weather and water [rain] added to any fruit causes the bacteria on the skin to start fermentation. Thus the annual spectacle in front of my house of pigeons drunk on the fermented mulberries. [/quote] I didn't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 [quote name='Staretz' post='1153435' date='Jan 1 2007, 09:56 AM'] I didn't think so [/quote] you really are not trying to disagree that water and fermenting fruit eventually make alcohol are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeds Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 I thought being teetotal means that you don't drink alcohol, not that you think drinking alcohol is immoral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRMiller Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 [quote name='scardella' post='1150441' date='Dec 27 2006, 06:03 PM'] What is there to support that it is not actually alcoholic? Am I correct in saying that in Acts 2:13 they use the same terminology for the wine as in John 2:9? [/quote] I'm not aware of anything actually. People usually gave up arguing with me when I pointing out the narrative in Genesis where Noah gets drunk off of wine. They could never answer me how Noah could get drunk off of non-alcoholic wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Or what about Paul's warning not to get drunk on wine? How does grapejuice make you drunk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starets Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1153460' date='Jan 1 2007, 10:22 AM'] you really are not trying to disagree that water and fermenting fruit eventually make alcohol are you? [/quote] I am saying that i didnt think that the explanation I heard made any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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