Real Estate Agent Gives Guns To Homebuyers

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1142820' date='Dec 15 2006, 01:57 AM']
yup, cause giving everyone and their dog a gun makes us all safe!
funny that us canadians, who actually need to know how to use a gun before buying one and even then no deathtrap handguns, have so much less murders and death from violent crime than the USA.

That sure would make me feel safe, knowing that if i really pissed my neighbor off, that hes got a loaded magnum under his pillow.
you know , of course how many gun related deaths are people accidentally shooting their own husband, etc coming in drunk, or the kid finding it, loaded, and blowing there best friends head off?
not that im saying all guns are bad, we own a few rifles for hunting and such, but buying a handgun, a weapon only made to kill people, for "protection" is absurd. unless for some reason we are in a nuclear fall out with anarchy running rampant. which isnt happening anytime soon
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Before my family had guns in the house, we had a break-in robbery. It was horrible. They did terrible things to my mother and beat up my grandfather, who had to go to the hospital. I was hidden in a closet with my cousins. The persons who broke in were already wanted for murder, and were all armed with guns (probably illegally owned). What is absurd is not my father's right to legally own a gun to have protected us. What is absurd is a government that says persons do not have the right to defend themselves.

Criminals are going to carry guns whether it is legal or not. That's just the way it is. We have a right to defend ourselves by responsibly owning and carrying guns for protection. All of my siblings (myself, age 19, down to the youngest, age 7) know how to responsibly shoot a gun. Our dad trained us in gun safety. They know how to load a gun, turn the safety on and off, they know not to point at anything they do not intend to shoot. I have never, ever seen one of my siblings disregard one of these rules, because they know their privilege of having their gun and doing target practice would be promptly taken away for an indefinite amount of time if they did. No one in my family has ever "accidentally" shot anyone.

Now, if a seven-year-old can be so utterly responsible with his gun, anyone can. People and kids who accidentally shoot things are simply irresponsible. It's the parents' job to make sure that their home is safe and that guns are properly stored. It is not the government's job to take over family life. You're right, an anarchy isn't happening anytime soon. We are too complacent to even question the government, much less take it over.

When my parents were growing up in the city of Houston, going to public schools, boys came in their pickups with loaded hunting rifles on their rifle rack in the truck. They went to school for the day, leaving the windows of their truck rolled down, and didn't worry about someone deciding to take their gun and go blow someone's head off in the school. Violence in schools and elsewhere did not begin when we started allowing guns, by no means.

Recently in Australia gun rights were taken away. Since then, violent crimes against women have risen tremendously. See, the criminals still have their weapons to kill, while the respectable citizens don't have weapons to defend themselves.

The Catholic Church advocates the Principle of Subsidiarity. We support ourselves first of all in the domestic church (the family), next within the community, next within district governments, and finally, within the federal government (but only when necessary). It is hard to imagine this as our North American governments are very, very far from reaching this point. However, I think the principle can be applied to self-defense as well. We should focus on defending our persons, our families, our local communities, our districts (county, state), and our country. To start at the bottom of the totem poll, you have a father who knows how to defend his household. It's very simple, and yet people think that the federal government will be there to defend them as soon as an intruder breaks into their home or car? No. That's just being dissolutioned.

Or maybe people don't think the government will be there to help them promptly. Maybe people are just okay with letting someone else injure or kill them. The thought that someone would be okay with that is pretty inceivable in my mind, but maybe that is the case. The Church certainly doesn't support that mentality, though.:

[quote name=' Catechism of the Catholic Church']
2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one's own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one's own life than of another's. [/quote]

Edited December 15, 2006 by Totus Tuus

[White Knight]

Your case Totus Tuus is well backed.

Hes right about what he said.

To Jesus_lol

Would you rather have one bad guy own a assault weapon "AK-47" for example, and have ten good guys all armed only with standard cilivian rifles? or would you rather have the odds in the good guys favor, one bad guy with one AK-47, and ten good guys with M16s'? hum? I'd prefer all of us to have better guns then the criminals than for the criminals to have the best weapons over the good citizens of the U.S.A. So if we have higher gun crime than most, its because we aint afraid to use our rights against those who wish to inflict harm to us.

Giving guns to everyone may sound insane, but giving guns to limited amounts of people can be even more insane, because then the miniority could kick around the majority's butt all day long, thats why we have guns in this nation, thats why we have it as a right, so we can keep ourselves and our government in check to prevent, what happened to us during the Revolutionary War.

[Paladin D]

[b]Totus[/b], you took the words out of my mouth, couldn't have said it better.

The gun culture in America is different. Many foreigners aren't comfortable with guns in the public square, while many Americans are, as long as they are used responsibly. It's a common sight to see rifles, shotguns, and even pistols where I live, and it doesn't bother me. Of course, the exception would be if the guy was dressed in attire that would be on the lines of gangsta, or mafia.

[rollingcatholic]

When I turn 18 next year, I'm going to buy a pack of smokes, a lottery ticket, and a 12 gauge.

[Groo the Wanderer]

Gun Control = hitting yer target in the killzone on the first shot


NOBODY is gonna get into my house and harm my family without a fight! nyah...

[Totus Tuus]

Amen brothers!


Lauren

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1143170' date='Dec 15 2006, 02:49 PM']
Gun Control = hitting yer target in the killzone on the first shot
NOBODY is gonna get into my house and harm my family without a fight! nyah...
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Yeah, you could just sic your daughter on 'em... Look out!!!

[Jesus_lol]

to totus, nothing against you personally but i disagree on several of your points
ya okay, i wouldnt worry about your family, as long as everyone knows how to use them responsibly (and hopefully your 7 yr old doesnt have his own gun in his room or anything). but realize your family is probably the exception to the rule. i just dont like the idea of hand guns, get a rifle or shot gun, thats alright. and also a lot of gun deaths happen were the father grabs his gun, and makes a hollow threat towards the criminal, who with no such concience takes the gun from him and kills him.
i prefer my grandpas method, he just keeps a heavy baseball bat under the bed. beat em up good, send em to prison without having to kill another human. also not much chance of it going off accidentally.

also since most people would prefer to have their gun on hand if the rare event happened and they were robbed, they keep it loaded and in a convenient place. easy for the criminal or a friend of your kid to find.
keep em locked up.

many people think they could intimidate a criminal to leave their house without having to fire a shot but in most cases they are also armed, resulting in a shoot out were the home owner often is the one dead.
the baseball bat works better as its short range in your house anyway, and no such complications or confrontations, just wack em good and they are down.

[quote]Would you rather have one bad guy own a assault weapon "AK-47" for example, and have ten good guys all armed only with standard cilivian rifles? or would you rather have the odds in the good guys favor, one bad guy with one AK-47, and ten good guys with M16s'? hum? I'd prefer all of us to have better guns then the criminals than for the criminals to have the best weapons over the good citizens of the U.S.A. So if we have higher gun crime than most, its because we aint afraid to use our rights against those who wish to inflict harm to us. [/quote]

seriously, "the better gun"?? it doesnt matter at all if your machine gun shoots one more bullet a minute than his or is more accurate at a thousand yards its still a indiscriminate spray of bullets. and this is assuming the criminals wouldnt have these m16's either. and i think much more damage would be caused by 10 machine guns than one, even if they are held by well intention people. its called cross fire. people make mistakes.

at least put in background checks and make it harder to get a gun. sure criminals can still get guns illegally but at least they cant just walk to a Kmart and get one. or for that matter any unqualified person.

i guess I wont ever understand how having a zillion more guns available to everybody makes you less likely to get shot.

[Jesus_lol]

dang, double posted again!, stupid internet!
anyways i think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. (no matter how cheesy that is)

Edited December 16, 2006 by Jesus_lol

[MissScripture]

Umm...the baseball bat is only going to work provided the criminal isn't armed. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure in a shoot out, the criminal is going to win, since you can't really fire a baseball bat.

[Jesus_lol]

tis called sneaking up on him, or suprising him in short range, which is how most encounters go in robberies. as long as you dont announce your coming, then stand ten paces away and challenge him to a duel then you should be fine. i mean it is your own house.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1143542' date='Dec 16 2006, 12:06 AM']
to totus, nothing against you personally but i disagree on several of your points
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No offense taken

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ya okay, i wouldnt worry about your family, as long as everyone knows how to use them responsibly (and hopefully your 7 yr old doesnt have his own gun in his room or anything). but realize your family is probably the exception to the rule. i just dont like the idea of hand guns, get a rifle or shot gun, thats alright.
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I'm a little confused as to why a shotgun or a rifle (12 gague weapons) are a safer option than handguns?

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and also a lot of gun deaths happen were the father grabs his gun, and makes a hollow threat towards the criminal, who with no such concience takes the gun from him and kills him.
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With all due respect, do you have any statistics to back this claim? I'd be interested to learn more about this. I'm quite certain that most intruders are carrying their own weapons.

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i prefer my grandpas method, he just keeps a heavy baseball bat under the bed. beat em up good, send em to prison without having to kill another human. also not much chance of it going off accidentally.
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First, it takes an effort to make a gun go off. If you've ever shot the guns you own, I'm sure you know that they don't really go off "accidentally", especially when the safety is on
Your grandpa's method may work for him, but it doesn't work for most people. It's more likely that the homeowner would get shot by the intruder before he could beat the intruder with the baseball bat. And then what? The intruder is capable of killing the rest of the household. Nope, not a good option. Intruders normally have guns, not bats.

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also since most people would prefer to have their gun on hand if the rare event happened and they were robbed, they keep it loaded and in a convenient place. easy for the criminal or a friend of your kid to find.
keep em locked up.[/quote]
We have a 12-gague locked up and loaded for use in that event... It IS on-hand when it's locked up in a convenient place It doesn't matter if your friend or a kid finds it locked up even if it's in your living room. They need the key, which only family has access to, in order to remove the gun. And hopefully you don't have any friends who are looking to take your guns out and blow your head of... that would be kind of weird.

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many people think they could intimidate a criminal to leave their house without having to fire a shot but in most cases they are also armed, resulting in a shoot out were the home owner often is the one dead.
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Yup, that's probably true. I never disputed that point. You shoot to kill. If someone is breaking into your home, you have an obligation to defend yourself. Like you said before, the criminal is not going to have the kind of mercy you are going to have. But it is not "mercy" to let a criminal kill you. Not even the Catholic Church supports that claim.

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the baseball bat works better as its short range in your house anyway, and no such complications or confrontations, just wack em good and they are down. [/quote]
Again, the baseball bat does not work unless the intruder also has a baseball bat and you are in the same good shape as he. If he has a gun, forget about it.

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i guess I wont ever understand how having a zillion more guns available to everybody makes you less likely to get shot.
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I think the original argument was that civilians owning guns was a good idea

[quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1143555' date='Dec 16 2006, 12:38 AM']
tis called sneaking up on him, or suprising him in short range, which is how most encounters go in robberies. as long as you dont announce your coming, then stand ten paces away and challenge him to a duel then you should be fine. i mean it is your own house.
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I think the criminal is normally the one sneaking up on the homeowner. But maybe your right. Could we see some statistics?

Edited December 16, 2006 by Totus Tuus

[Paladin D]

Anyone seen the movie [b]Frequency[/b] with Dennis Quiad and Jim Caviezel? Remember the end of the movie? I think that film justifies the use of a owning a firearm.

[Phoenix Reborn]

That movies is great...it's so weird and confusing, but it's also cool at the same time.

[Totus Tuus]

That is an AWESOME movie! My whole family loves it