catholicinsd Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 The other night Glen Beck got on a rant about Suri Cruise and Shiloh Pitt being born out wedlock. Anyone see it? I sort of agree with him, our culture does glorify sex, but on others things I can never agree with. So I pose this question- how does one codone pre-martial sex, and co-habitation (and the like) without de-humanizing the children of such unions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1134248' date='Dec 3 2006, 06:54 PM'] Good question. [/quote] Yeah, I think the answer to my question is one can't totally do both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 ohhh Gosh, not this thread again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share Posted December 4, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1134260' date='Dec 3 2006, 07:04 PM'] ohhh Gosh, not this thread again.... [/quote] Its seriouser than before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 honestly you seem to be a little obsessed with the topic....i mean all of your previous threads were closed.... just give it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRSannie Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 As one of 'those children' I hold no responsibility for what my parents did or did not do. I got a clean slate! (Which, of course, I have mucked up on my own, MY OWN! God have mercy on me!) SO, this discussion is a mute point. Suri is Suri, God help her, and she starts off without any blame for what her parents, as wierd as they are, have done. There is no debate here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcabibi Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 (edited) What is Marrige? From what I remember it's a promise you make to God and your partner. Why does a marrige certificate have to act as a license for sex? Frankly I'd perfer if the govt stayed out of my personal believes, relationships, and life in general. Edited December 4, 2006 by JClives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1134261' date='Dec 3 2006, 08:06 PM'] Its seriouser than before [/quote] ...more serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share Posted December 4, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1134272' date='Dec 3 2006, 07:21 PM'] honestly you seem to be a little obsessed with the topic....i mean all of your previous threads were closed.... just give it up [/quote] You're one to talk But seriously can we really reconcile the two? [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1134291' date='Dec 3 2006, 07:38 PM'] ...more serious? [/quote] If that's the correct grammar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 (edited) [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1134246' date='Dec 3 2006, 07:53 PM'] The other night Glen Beck got on a rant about Suri Cruise and Shiloh Pitt being born out wedlock. Anyone see it? I sort of agree with him, our culture does glorify sex, but on others things I can never agree with. So I pose this question- how does one codone pre-martial sex, and co-habitation (and the like) without de-humanizing the children of such unions? [/quote] The sinfulness of fornication has nothing whatever to do with the humanity of the children produced by such a union. To use a more extreme example; if someone were conceived by rape, he would not be any less human than someone conceived in wedlock. However, this would in absolutely no way condone the horrific crime of the rape. Before people jump all over me, I'm not saying that pre-marital sex is at all the same level of evil as rape; but I am saying that the morality of a sexual act and the humanity of a child are two completely seperate issues. Edited December 4, 2006 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share Posted December 4, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' post='1134298' date='Dec 3 2006, 07:45 PM'] The sinfulness of fornication has nothing whatever to do with the humanity of the children produced by such a union. To use a more extreme example; if someone were conceived by rape, he would not be any less human than someone conceived in wedlock. However, this would in absolutely no way condone the horrific crime of the rape. Before people jump all over me, I'm not saying that pre-marital sex is at all the same level of evil as rape; but I am saying that the morality of a sexual act and the humanity of a child are two completely seperate issues. [/quote] I understand what your saying, but, as a love child, it does hurt when people talk smack about unwed mothers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Would the wife of an adulterer feel pain when hearing people discuss the evil of adultery? Yes. Should we not discuss the evil of adultery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I don't think hating fornication is hating illegitimate children. Hating an act is not hating what is produced from that act. Because Adam sinned, God the Son was made man. Do we hate that God the Son was made man? Of course no, but we do hate Adam's sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1134246' date='Dec 3 2006, 07:53 PM'] The other night Glen Beck got on a rant about Suri Cruise and Shiloh Pitt being born out wedlock. Anyone see it? I sort of agree with him, our culture does glorify sex, but on others things I can never agree with. So I pose this question- how does one codone pre-martial sex, and co-habitation (and the like) without de-humanizing the children of such unions? [/quote] Sex outside of marriage is wrong, but there is not wrong with any child born of such a union. All children are gifts of God, no matter how they were concieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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