KnightofChrist Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1132060' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:20 PM'] Heck I'm pro choice and I would NEVER vote for a racist biggot just to advance that cause. Some of you people are incredible. [/quote] Ha, your still a hypocrite, and a rather big at that, instead of being racist or supporting a racist person, you support the murder of black unborn babies. And white too... What ever you think of the people on this thread your stance is 70 times worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) Zeyeon, I'm a little confused... If your pro-choice, then you would obviously vote for the pro-choice canidate, especially if you dislike the other canidate. I'd think the difference between the opinions is that a lot of pro-life people see such things (the pro-death agenda) as murder and such atrocities, so it isn't a clear cut option either way. How would that be ridiculous? To a pro-life person, it would be the option between allowing the degredation of a person (or one's self) or the murder of a person. Quite a hard call either way Edited November 30, 2006 by CatholicCid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeyeon Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1132066' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:27 PM'] Ha, your still a hypocrite, and a rather big at that, instead of being racist or supporting a racist person, you support the murder of black unborn babies. And white too... What ever you think of the people on this thread your stance is 70 times worst. [/quote] Stop polarizing my beliefs. I know it may be a bit to complicated for your small illogical brain to grasp... but I do NOT support the murder of babies. I support not standing in the way of a sinner. I support safe methods to be available for a procedure even though i don't aggree with it. I support making the best out of a horrible situation, which means I support embyonic stemcell research to help people... rather than just throwing away the aborted cells. I'm sorry if the world isn't as simple as you'd like it to be. [quote name='CatholicCid' post='1132070' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:29 PM'] Zeyeon, I'm a little confused... If your pro-choice, then you would obviously vote for the pro-choice canidate, especially if you dislike the other canidate. I'd think the difference between the opinions is that a lot of pro-life people see such things (the pro-death agenda) as murder and such atrocities, so it isn't a clear cut option either way. How would that be ridiculous? To a pro-life person, it would be the option between allowing the degredation of a person (or one's self) or the murder of a person. Quite a hard call either way [/quote] Of course I would. What I'm saying though is... If a pro-choice candidate was racist... I would in no way vote for him, Because racisim has done alot more to harm this country than the illegalization of abortion ever will. The Cures created by stemcell research would be dwarfed by the state of this society, if we elected people that still believe in segregation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1132082' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:45 PM'] Of course I would. What I'm saying though is... If a pro-choice candidate was racist... I would in no way vote for him. [/quote] I know, but I was saying that depending on how you see "pro-life" and "pro-choice" would greatly affect your decision and how you view this choice. If you see pro-choice as pro-death and causes the murder of thousands, then it becomes a bit tougher to decide whom to vote for. It would no longer be a clear cut issue as it might be for one who is "pro-choice" as you are as there isn't as much of a down-side on the issue. As for the rest of your post, I must respectfully disagree with you, but my response would be dragging off-topic, so I'll just end my post there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeyeon Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='CatholicCid' post='1132092' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:51 PM'] I know, but I was saying that depending on how you see "pro-life" and "pro-choice" would greatly affect your decision and how you view this choice. If you see pro-choice as pro-death and causes the murder of thousands, then it becomes a bit tougher to decide whom to vote for. It would no longer be a clear cut issue as it might be for one who is "pro-choice" as you are as there isn't as much of a down-side on the issue. As for the rest of your post, I must respectfully disagree with you, but my response would be dragging off-topic, so I'll just end my post there. [/quote] why would it drag off topic? you had to know that both racisim and the pro-choice / pro-life debate would come up. Alot of religious people that I know have been literally brainwashed into thinking that Pro-choice is synonomous with supporting the murder of babies. It is in no way that simple. I'm even against the death penalty. It's completely possible to be pro-choice for the RIGHT reasons. I just find it sad that the majority of pro-lifers have to polarize pro-choicers and lable them as baby killers in order to defend thier conviction. it's sad and ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I wouldn't vote, or, if there was another candidate who was pro-life and not racist, I'd vote for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 Here's the thing about not voting- whether you vote or not, someone will be elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1132082' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:45 PM'] Stop polarizing my beliefs. I know it may be a bit to complicated for your small illogical brain to grasp... but I do NOT support the murder of babies. I support not standing in the way of a sinner. I support safe methods to be available for a procedure even though i don't aggree with it. I support making the best out of a horrible situation, which means I support embyonic stemcell research to help people... rather than just throwing away the aborted cells.[/quote] Not standing in the way of a sinner? So if you see someone trying to kill another you will not stand in the way and stop them. You'll just let it happen. There is NO safe procedure when murdering a unborn baby. None. You support the New Age Slavery. Instead of hating black you hate the unborn, their not even human just aborted cells. [quote name='zeyeon' post='1132082' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:45 PM'] I'm sorry if the world isn't as simple as you'd like it to be.[/quote] There is nothing simple with a confused and conflicted mind. I'm pro-choice, but I dont kill babies, I'm not a racist but a support slavery. I dont support sin but I wont stand in the way of it. [quote name='zeyeon' post='1132082' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:45 PM'] The Cures created by stemcell research would be dwarfed by the state of this society, if we elected people that still believe in segregation. [/quote] What cures? Name a few, real cures that have actually come from enslaving the unborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1132110' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:06 PM'] Here's the thing about not voting- whether you vote or not, someone will be elected. [/quote] I know that. I just don't have to be the one to encourage the evil they espouse, and I would publicly and personally denounce the both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1132110' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:06 PM'] Here's the thing about not voting- whether you vote or not, someone will be elected. [/quote] Yes, but if I do not vote for the racist then I have no fault when he (tries to) enforces his sins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeyeon Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1132113' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:07 PM'] Not standing in the way of a sinner? So if you see someone trying to kill another you will not stand in the way and stop them. You'll just let it happen. [/quote] Again you're polarizing my arguement. Of course I wouldn't let it happen. If there was something I could do about it I would. As I've said before... making it Illegal will NOT stop it. You can't stop every abortion. It's impossible and you have a messiah complex if you think otherwise. I support making it SAFE for the mother by regulating the procedure. [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1132113' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:07 PM'] There is NO safe procedure when murdering a unborn baby. None. [/quote] Talk to me when you've layed down on a sofa with your legs spread open and a spoon in your hand. [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1132113' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:07 PM']You support the New Age Slavery. Instead of hating black you hate the unborn, their not even human just aborted cells.[/quote] Are you able to debate without polarizing me? seriously this is accomplishing nothing if you are going to insist on painting me when you're colorblind. [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1132113' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:07 PM'] There is nothing simple with a confused and conflicted mind. I'm pro-choice, but I dont kill babies, I'm not a racist but a support slavery. I dont support sin but I wont stand in the way of it. [/quote] The reasons a woman get's an abortion are about as numerous as the grains of sand on a beach. I can in no way go through all of the reasons women have had abortions and say I supported them or not. You appear to be utterly incapable of holding more than 2 facts in your brain at once anyway so me doing so would be pointless. [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1132113' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:07 PM'] What cures? Name a few, real cures that have actually come from enslaving the unborn. [/quote] It's not enslaving them. It's using embroyes that were LITERALLY thrown out! what do you not get?! And as far as cures for stemcells..... Adult stemcells have already yeilded cures for leukemia and other blood disorders. However you can't cure the more complex brain disorders with adult stemcells, you need embryonic stemcells to treat desieses like parkonsons and spinal chord injuries. Impementation of embryonic stemcells is about 10 years away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 (edited) [quote name='zeyeon' post='1132105' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:00 PM'] why would it drag off topic? you had to know that both racisim and the pro-choice / pro-life debate would come up. Alot of religious people that I know have been literally brainwashed into thinking that Pro-choice is synonomous with supporting the murder of babies. It is in no way that simple. I'm even against the death penalty. It's completely possible to be pro-choice for the RIGHT reasons. I just find it sad that the majority of pro-lifers have to polarize pro-choicers and lable them as baby killers in order to defend thier conviction. it's sad and ignorant. [/quote] As I'm not the topic started, I don't have to know anything : However, I must admit, I don't see how you can be "pro-choice" for the right reasons. As the topic starter stated a little later on, let's call the canidate anti-abortion. So, we can assume that the other canidate is pro-abortion (is that right catholicinsd?) I see abortion itself as murder and I do not believe in it, so I would be hesitant to vote for a pro-abortion canidate right off the bat. If the case were that and it comes down to voting for a pro-segregation/anti-abortion canidate or a pro-abortion canidate into an office that allows them to inflect their will on the populace, then that would be a tough decision to make for someone who sees abortion as murder (like myself). -- Well, I just read your next post Zeyeon and I'll refrain from most questions as I'm sure there are multiple topics on this... However, I have to ask for you to cite the source to the claim of "you can't cure the more complex brain disorders with adult stemcells". I'd be interested to read it. I'm betting either Nature or NAS. Edited November 30, 2006 by CatholicCid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suuran Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 I would seriously doubt the depth of his pro-life position, given that he supports other measures blatantly contrary to human dignity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJP Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='zeyeon' post='1132105' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:00 PM'] why would it drag off topic? you had to know that both racisim and the pro-choice / pro-life debate would come up. Alot of religious people that I know have been literally brainwashed into thinking that Pro-choice is synonomous with supporting the murder of babies. It is in no way that simple. I'm even against the death penalty. It's completely possible to be pro-choice for the RIGHT reasons. I just find it sad that the majority of pro-lifers have to polarize pro-choicers and lable them as baby killers in order to defend thier conviction. it's sad and ignorant. [/quote] zeyeon said: "It's completely possible to be pro-choice for the RIGHT reasons." Can you please elaborate? What would you consider those "RIGHT reasons" to be? What "RIGHT reasons" could there be for taking the life of an unborn child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeyeon Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='CatholicCid' post='1132132' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:31 PM'] Well, I just read your next post Zeyeon and I'll refrain from most questions as I'm sure there are multiple topics on this... However, I have to ask for you to cite the source to the claim of "you can't cure the more complex brain disorders with adult stemcells". I'd be interested to read it. I'm betting either Nature or NAS. [/quote] i'll be glad to link you homie. there are MANY institutions conducting research on the the benifits of the research... but here is one. [url="http://www.news.wisc.edu/packages/stemcells/facts.html#3"]http://www.news.wisc.edu/packages/stemcells/facts.html#3[/url] I also know USF is doing alot of research on it too, you may want to browse thier website as well. [quote name='Jalazar' post='1132139' date='Nov 30 2006, 05:38 PM'] I would seriously doubt the depth of his pro-life position, given that he supports other measures blatantly contrary to human dignity. [/quote] such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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