N/A Gone Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=52356&hl="]Awesome discussion[/url] From that discussion I wrote a paper, and from that paper my school wants me to develop my internship on a formal paper about this issue of the Filioque. Development from the Ecumenical councils and the relations it has currently Now my question, dear phatmassers. Is sources. Those who spoke on this thread knew their stuff. Hardcore. I need you to be the source of the source and give me some sources. Not internet blogs, but actual books, documents and tangable things of that nature. Not to flash, but money is not much of an issue here. If I need to order/buy them I will. If you are willing to mail them then I will pay. I have pm'd some people on this issue. But never heard a response. Sorry if this is the bad place for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Well, Augustine's [i]De Trinitate[/i] is a classic. I would also recommend St. Anselm of Canterbury's [i]De Processione Spiritus Sancti[/i], as St. Anselm is (to my knowledge) the only Doctor of the Church who himself lived through the Schism. I can send you the pdf file of this text if you can't find it in print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 That would be awesome Jeff..thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 here would be a good place to start: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat/179"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat/179[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Fr. David Balash O'CIST has a great article on it. Not sure the name of the article, but it is on EBSCO Host. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 hmm, I will need to check it out. Most likely I am interested in books. Actual academic research on it. Those of you who have been through a class on it must have either read a book or had a teacher mention a book. Im waiting for our eastern-friends to comment on here. L_D better have a shoppin cart waiting for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1131581' date='Nov 30 2006, 12:59 AM'] Im waiting for our eastern-friends to comment on here. L_D better have a shoppin cart waiting for me. [/quote] you'll have to pm him and apotheoun. they don't come around much anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 I pm'd Sean twice...to be fair, he is probably working on the wedding.. someone needs to lecture him on priorties.. The wife can plan while you post. It trains them for when they cook while you do theology.. Nick, could you ask a teacher perhaps. If you have one that knows anything on the filioque, I need academic books. Most of my teachers have never heard of the filioque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted November 30, 2006 Share Posted November 30, 2006 Tangent: Is the icon named the Trinity by Rublev a promotion of the Filioque? In it the Father points to the son, the son points to the spirit, and the spirit point back to the table/alter. You might be able to use the icon in another talk for school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1132093' date='Nov 30 2006, 04:51 PM'] Most of my teachers have never heard of the filioque. [/quote] are you serious? wow...........yea, i'll ask some teachers. it won't be til monday, tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 Yea, I can only think of 2, maybe 3 that have. Only 1 of them knows anything really about it and he ironically is the teacher I am doing the project with. So for giggles he wont help me. :S Why would a protestant know it.? The term "creed" is often not used, rather they consider them "early christian statements of faith" about as authoritive as your latest blog. Thus, something like the Nicean creed is not worth while learning. Trying to abid by it is viewed as a an authorive body denying you the human will to have legit faith. Ecumenical church councils are considered as every church (*by church they think denominations, or free churches non connected in creed-doctrine) trying to stop a major controversy. But they are not truely authoritive. this is my world... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 Did you ever ask a teacher about this nick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cathqat Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 [url="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/8410/filioque.html"]Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity's 1995 document[/url] - all older books & documents should be read with this in mind [url="http://www.geocities.com/trvalentine/orthodox/zizioulis_onesource.html"]Metropolitan John Zizioulas' response to the 1995 document[/url] [url="http://www.usccb.org/seia/filioque.shtml"]The Filioque: A Church-Dividing Issue?[/url] - An Agreed Statement of the North American Orthodox-Catholic Theological Consultation 2003 [url="http://www.geocities.com/trvalentine/orthodox/filioquemain.html"]other very useful articles[/url] [url="http://www.amazon.com/Believe-Spirit-Milestones-Catholic-Theology/dp/0824516966"]Yves Congar's [i]I Believe in the Holy Spirit[/i][/url] [url="http://www.amazon.com/Photian-schism-History-legend/dp/B0007IXZH0"]Francis Dvornik's [i]absolutely essential, not to be missed classic[/i] on the Photian Schism[/url] [url="http://www.geocities.com/heartland/5654/orthodox/stylianopoulos_filioque.html"]1986 article by Theodore Stylianopoulos[/url] [url="http://www.amazon.com/History-Council-Florence-Ivan-Ostroumoff/dp/B000IXXQ28"]a polemical but very useful Orthodox history of the Council of Florence[/url] [url="http://www.amazon.com/Ending-Byzantine-Greek-Schism-Containing/dp/1879860015"]a polemical but very useful Catholic book because includes some relevant medieval texts & such[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1161764' date='Jan 11 2007, 05:22 PM'] Did you ever ask a teacher about this nick? [/quote] naw, i forgot. sorry btw, [b][i]CATHQAT[/i][/b], your back!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 thanks Cathqat.. Nick---- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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