franciscanheart Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Is it considered an abuse if the doxology is said and not sung? What type of 'offense' is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bonoducchi Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 (edited) It isn't one - no document requires it be sung. The Ordo Missae actually says "He takes the chalice and paten with the host and, lifting them up, sings OR SAYS" etc. It's ever so nice if it is, but it is not required. Maybe you could buy some voice lessons for your priest for Christmas!! He might have a bit mroe confidence (or some water tucked behind the altar if he gets a frog in his throat - it wont' violate his fast - Can. 919 §1. A person who is to receive the Most Holy Eucharist is to abstain for at least one hour before holy communion from any food and drink, except for only water and medicine.). Edited November 28, 2006 by VaticanIILiturgist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted November 28, 2006 Author Share Posted November 28, 2006 Haha. My priest sings very well. Well.. my pastor does. The other priests at my parish don't always sing it though. I can't keep anything straight anymore so let me ask one more question... Is it then strongly suggested that the doxology be sung? I've listened to my choir director explain this briefly two times now but I can't remember green from blue lately. I know there are... four? things that must be sung during the Mass and I could have sworn the doxology was one of them. Because he went on to say that if you're going to sing the doxology then you should go ahead and sing the Lord's prayer. You don't have to of course but it'd be weird to say the prayer and only sing the doxology. Anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonoducchi Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 (edited) Its rather ambiguous. SC states music is intergral to the liturgy (p. 112) - so from that perspective, yes it is strongly suggested. In the other legislative documents, its an either/or statement, which implies a tacit equality. In Catholic liturgy, music is always preferred, but certainly never mandated. Does he have a particular reason that he speaks, rather than sings, the Doxology? There are no singing requirements. There are aethetic considerations, to be sure, but ultimately, neither singing or saying is "more correct". Edited November 28, 2006 by VaticanIILiturgist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted November 28, 2006 Author Share Posted November 28, 2006 Well I think in some cases he speaks it because we do not have a music director on hand. However, he chants several parts of the Mass so I wonder why he doesn't also chant this. *shrug* I do remember my director (one of them) mentioning that it came down to a pastoral decision whether or not it would be said or sung. I'm not really sure. All the ambiguity confuses me to pieces. Basically, it always changes at my church depending on which Mass you are attending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonoducchi Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 [quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1130150' date='Nov 28 2006, 05:54 PM'] Well I think in some cases he speaks it because we do not have a music director on hand. However, he chants several parts of the Mass so I wonder why he doesn't also chant this. *shrug* I do remember my director (one of them) mentioning that it came down to a pastoral decision whether or not it would be said or sung. I'm not really sure. All the ambiguity confuses me to pieces. Basically, it always changes at my church depending on which Mass you are attending. [/quote] Is your lituergist/msuic director full or part time. Some people just havent' read the docuements carefully enough. And they are tought to get through, to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted November 28, 2006 Author Share Posted November 28, 2006 Full time. Both of them are. I know this has nothing to do with our music directors. They have both done extensive studies on all that pertains to their work (and more). It is me that is always twisting things around and forgetting stuff. I, especially lately, can't keep much of anything straight. Know what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonoducchi Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 [quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1130157' date='Nov 28 2006, 06:00 PM'] Full time. Both of them are. I know this has nothing to do with our music directors. They have both done extensive studies on all that pertains to their work (and more). It is me that is always twisting things around and forgetting stuff. I, especially lately, can't keep much of anything straight. Know what I mean? [/quote] I do this for a living and still get twisted. When in doube, go slow and use some post-its! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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