-I---Love Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 So is it according to the Church disobeying the 3rd by going shopping, out to eat etc. on Sunday? I know that Sunday was made for us ..., but are we not putting unneccessary burdens on others by making them work and increasing the business the place they work receives? It's extreme, but all Christians stopped spending money bla bla bla on Sundays wouldn't all the places have to close once again? So is it sin according to the Church or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 CCC 2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247). 2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. however, 2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Pax Christi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 This was changed by? What reason do the CC give you for that change? Do you really think that God is pleased? The Sabbath have not change in God word. This is the first step from God. But the CC feel that it just a day of rest. Infallible is his word not the CC. do we have a 7th Day Adventist among us? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 nah, i think he's just all over the place in what he believes, with hundreds of different opinions on hundreds of different doctrines. but that's just what i've observed. he'll attack any part of any Christianity if he thinks it'll proove Catholocism wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Larry, What about when Christ said "man is not made for the Sabbath, but rather the Sabbath is made for man"? This was when He was confronted because some of the disciples prepared food on the Sabbath ( a big violation of the Law). Al, Thanks for the CCC quotes. As a former waiter, most waiters are working out of poverty and misery. I have no problem eating out after mass on Sunday. Just me though. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 You fail to realize that the Church has the authority to teach. It is necessary to Worship on the Lord's Day, which is the New Sabbath. The keys... "what you bind on earth is bound in heaven..." Your point falls apart when looking at what has been taught since the Apostles. God Bless, Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk hm.. unfortunately one of your posts said it was necessary to worship on the 8th day of the week, and another said we were not required to keep it at all but it was good to do. and, that is the weakest response I have possibly ever seen in my life "the church said it, so it is so!" that is what I call lazy bible study because the answers are there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 why is it more lazy to say 'the church says so' than 'the bible says so' or 'God says so' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 "the church said it, so it is so!" that is what I call lazy bible study because the answers are there. PatrickRitaMichael, I was going to say the same thing. Lazy? According to who!? You? LOL. What if I was blind, or illiterate? Would it be lazy then to listen to someone else. Is it "lazy" of many Protestants to listen to their pastors? Shouldn't they all study the Bible and come up with it on their own. Is it lazy to ask someone to pray for you since you can pray for yourself. Give me a break. Circle, "Bible Study" is a novalty. The Apostles didn't "study" their Bible. They were taught the Scriptures. Then they taught, not by being the best studied persons (they were all fishermen and taxcollectors), but by the Power of the Spirit, given to them by Christ! You got one thing right, Circle: The answers are there. And the answer is the Catholic Church, the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. Scripture is profitable for teaching. But it is the TEACHING that makes a man of God fully prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 (edited) hm.. unfortunately one of your posts said it was necessary to worship on the 8th day of the week, and another said we were not required to keep it at all but it was good to do. and, that is the weakest response I have possibly ever seen in my life "the church said it, so it is so!" that is what I call lazy bible study because the answers are there. The Bible states the Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth. Jesus tells us to take it to the Church when we have a disagreement, and if the person refuses to listen to the Church, treat them as a heathen... Yes, because the Church said so is a great answer. It was good enough for the first Christians. Maybe if you would read your bible you would know these things? Are you infallible in your personal Scripture interpretation? Augustine "But in regard to those observances which we carefully attend and which the whole world keeps, and which derive not from Scripture but from Tradition, we are given to understand that they are recommended and ordained to be kept, either by the apostles themselves or by plenary [ecumenical] councils, the authority of which is quite vital in the Church" (Letter to Januarius [A.D. 400]). "We read in the books of the Maccabees [2 Macc. 12:43] that sacrifice was offered for the dead. But even if it were found nowhere in the Old Testament writings, the authority of the Catholic Church which is clear on this point is of no small weight, where in the prayers of the priest poured forth to the Lord God at his altar the commendation of the dead has its place" (The Care to be Had for the Dead 1:3 [A.D. 421]). God Bless, ironmonk Edited January 20, 2004 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 CCC 2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247). 2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. however, 2186 Those Christians who have leisure should be mindful of their brethren who have the same needs and the same rights, yet cannot rest from work because of poverty and misery. Pax Christi So, we shouldn't really go out shopping or eating on Sundays? I learn something new everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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