PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 I was just wondering what you all thought about the command to keep the Sabbath holy. It's one of THE TEN so I figure it's really important and it's not like it was a cleanliness law so that doesn't change... why don't more people 'keep the sabbath'? do you keep the sabbath? what does this mean? and why doesn't the Church emphasize this more? So many questions...it's pretty open, just want your thoughts on this but I'm not sure if this should be under open mic or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt1art3.htm Says it all. :D Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 16, 2004 Author Share Posted January 16, 2004 Thanks Ironmonk. That link did say it all. But now no one else will respond to my post and I will feel unpopular ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Thanks Monk, Ive always been unsure when asked about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I do have a question. Since you believe the sabbath is a commandment for today, and since the sabbath is part of the mosaic covenant (deuteronomy), why do you not also believe every other law and command in deuteronomy must continue today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 17, 2004 Author Share Posted January 17, 2004 I think that the moral laws have not changed but the cleanliness ones have. That is just my personal opinion, so I'm not representing the Church. But I think that everyone still follows the Mosaic law to some extent, for example, don't take the Lord's name in vain and do not covet and do not have sex w/ animals. These aren't mentioned in the NT (I don't think they are) but they still hold b/c God doesn't change and so what is right and wrong don't change. But cleanliness has nothing to do with morality. I'm sure you're going to say that the law is about morality and therefore cleanliness is moral, but I honestly don't know what to say to that. Anyone else? Help... This is why I asked the question in the first place :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Blaze Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Not using very detailed excerpts from great theologians but my general knowledge, I'd say, The Ten Commandments are timeless commandments, and while they are a part of the mosaic covenant, they are commandments for moral living, all of them. Is circumcision important and a rule for moral living, not really..... Not coveting your neighbors wife, or lying, or stealing, or taking the Lord's name in vain however, should be and is a standard for Christian living. CM do you believe the mosaic covenant(or parts of; meaning The Ten Commandments) should continue? just asking.... time for me to return to the 'Senseless Babble' lol, Godbless everyone, ~S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I don't believe the mosaic covenant applies today. Christ came and fulfilled that covenant and now we are under the new covenant. Many things are similar - you can notice 9/10 of the original ten commandments are restated by Jesus to apply to us. The sabbath is not, but I still believe there lies a principle behind it we should remember. And that is putting aside time to give to God alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickRitaMichael Posted January 17, 2004 Author Share Posted January 17, 2004 why only 9/10? did Jesus only come to fulfil 1/10th of the law? I'm just wondering your opinion, not trying to argue w/ you cuz I'll admit I don't know anything :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I think it depends on the nature of the commandment. Some of them, like the purification laws, were given so that man (forgive my political incorrectness) might be clean (physically and spiritually) before God. The sacrifice laws were given as a way for man to make ammends to God for his sins. Christ came to be the ultimate sacrifice and to make us clean. However, there are also those laws like the ten commandments which were given as rules to live by. I believe that most of these still apply today. I say "most of" because there are some laws that were cultural (not being tattooed for the dead for example was to set the Israelites appart from the neighboring groups). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 9/10 because in the NT only 9/10 are ever commanded. We are never commanded to keep the sabbath. All the others are restated as applying today however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Hey all, Here's the teaching from the Catechism: 2189 "Observe the sabbath day, to keep it holy" (Deut 5:12). "The seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord" (Ex 31:15). 2190 The sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ. 2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ's Resurrection on the "eighth day," Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord's Day (cf. SC 106). 2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 § 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247). 2193 "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound . . . to abstain from those labors and business concerns which impede the worship to be rendered to God, the joy which is proper to the Lord's Day, or the proper relaxation of mind and body" (CIC, can. 1247). 2194 The institution of Sunday helps all "to be allowed sufficient rest and leisure to cultivate their familial, cultural, social, and religious lives" (GS 67 § 3). 2195 Every Christian should avoid making unnecessary demands on others that would hinder them from observing the Lord's Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I think the Apostles interpretted "Do this in memory of Me," as the New Way Christ left His Church of keeping the Sabbath. Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Just as the Church in Acts 15 determined that circumcision is not necessary for gentiles, the Church throughout the ages determines how the OT laws apply today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 SUNDAY WORSHIP Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath. Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus' resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church. Acts 20:7 - this texts shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the "first day of the week." Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship. 1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches "on the first day of the week," which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday. Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says "let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath." 2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday. Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of "another day," which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord's resurrection, which was on Sunday. Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday. Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord's day, the new day of rest in Christ. Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday. from Scripture Catholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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