Muslim Equivalent

[dairygirl4u2c]

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[Church Punk]

The koran does not containg the pricipals by which the country was founded on. However the Bible does. The 10 commandments are intrinsically applicable to all peoples in all cultures.

[Winchester]

From a Catholic perspective, of course not.

[Resurrexi]

Catholicism is the only true religion:

[quote name='The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X']15 Q. Can there not be several Churches?
A. No, there cannot be more than one Church; for as there is but one God, one Faith and one Baptism, there is and can be but one true Church.[/quote]

Defined as error:
[quote name='The Syllabus of Errors of Pope Bl. Pius IX'] 21. The Church has not the power of defining dogmatically that the religion of the Catholic Church is the only true religion. -- Damnatio "Multiplices inter," June 10, 1851. [/quote]

Therefore, since the only true religion is Catholicism, it would be inherently wrong to use symbols, writings or pictures from other religions

[Groo the Wanderer]

Well...if I lived in Kuwait I would vote yes, but since I am from Texas...that would be a big fat NO!

This is a Christian country. Love it or...love it! nyah!

[CrossCuT]

[quote name='Church Punk' post='1122848' date='Nov 17 2006, 10:28 PM']
The koran does not containg the pricipals by which the country was founded on. However the Bible does. The 10 commandments are intrinsically applicable to all peoples in all cultures.
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[musturde]

Muslims respect the Bible and believe at one time it was correct but after time it was messed with and changed. I think they wouldn't have a problem with the ten commandments.

[goldenchild17]

I vote no.

[Matty_boy]

Not that I would know, because I don't speak Arabic, but the Koran is chock full of things that contradict basic judeo-christian beliefs. The law of the Koran is not consistent with natural law, and Muslims scholars are at odds about the true meaning of the violent acts in the text. Combine the text with the initial and continuing propigation of the Muslims conversion by the sword.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

Islamic theology embraces the Ten Commandments. They are all repeated in the Qur'an at various points. I don't think a Muslim would have a problem with seeing them in a courtroom.

That said, I don't think it would be sensible to have [i]ayat[/i] (Qur'anic verses) on display in an American court, even if the judge were a Muslim - because that judge would be presiding over cases according to American law. Shariah law doesn't even enter the picture here, so why should it be promoted on the walls of the courtroom? If the judge was running a private tribunal to settle a personal dispute between two members of the Muslim community, which sometimes happens, then of course he would be entitled to bring in texts from the Qur'an, just as the rabbis in the rabbinical courts refer to the Torah.

[musturde]

[quote name='Matty_boy' post='1123691' date='Nov 19 2006, 01:08 PM']
Not that I would know, because I don't speak Arabic, but the Koran is chock full of things that contradict basic judeo-christian beliefs. The law of the Koran is not consistent with natural law, and Muslims scholars are at odds about the true meaning of the violent acts in the text. Combine the text with the initial and continuing propigation of the Muslims conversion by the sword.
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Actually, not exactly. Muslims wouldn't see anything wrong with the ten commandments. In fact, they may accuse us of not following them properly by having images of saints.

Edited November 19, 2006 by musturde

[dairygirl4u2c]

Are there any non-Christian religions that you would allow?

I'm not sure that our government is Christian based. It has religous principles, and Islam might be at odds with it, but surely there are other religions that aren't necessarily in contradtiction, just different. Probably like Hindu. Would you accept hindu? buddism.

Edited November 21, 2006 by dairygirl4u2c

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[quote]Actually, not exactly. Muslims wouldn't see anything wrong with the ten commandments. In fact, they may accuse us of not following them properly by having images of saints.
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Yeah, and they don't always seem to follow the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" very well either.

I don't think that they would have a problem with the Ten Commands, but to them we are lost anyway, because we worship Jesus and their faith seems to stem more from Judaism than Christianity, Of course that is my opinion, however they also feel we are wrong for the way we dress and treat women also.

As for all the faith symbols in a courtroom. I don't know, that might leave to much room for controversy between, Muslims, Jews, and Christians. Unfortuantly, then all the other religions are left in the backseat, and they all want a cut of the pie also.

Edited November 21, 2006 by GloriaIesusChristi

[Matty_boy]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1123713' date='Nov 19 2006, 01:39 PM']
Islamic theology embraces the Ten Commandments. They are all repeated in the Qur'an at various points. I don't think a Muslim would have a problem with seeing them in a courtroom.

That said, I don't think it would be sensible to have [i]ayat[/i] (Qur'anic verses) on display in an American court, even if the judge were a Muslim - because that judge would be presiding over cases according to American law. Shariah law doesn't even enter the picture here, so why should it be promoted on the walls of the courtroom? If the judge was running a private tribunal to settle a personal dispute between two members of the Muslim community, which sometimes happens, then of course he would be entitled to bring in texts from the Qur'an, just as the rabbis in the rabbinical courts refer to the Torah.
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I find it particularly interesting that you claim that Islamic theology embraces the Ten Commandments, then you make a point regarding American law and Shariah law, and you don't even begin to condemn Shariah law as a completely immoral system of law or governance. Last time I checked, Shariah law broke the 5th Commandment (you shall not murder) to punish those who broke the rest (except for the 8th Commandment which Muslims think it is okay to lie for Allah's sake). Every country that does/has practiced Shariah law, executes or tortures offenders.

Shariah law allows honor killings hwere a girl who was raped can be executed by her family to regain their honor. One recent case of a married woman being gang raped resulted in the four attackers sentenced to several hundred lashes while the woman was sentenced to 200 lashes for being in a car with a man who was not her husband. Adultery is punished by burying the offender (usually a woman, men often are not punished) up to their head in the sand, while groups throw stones at the person's head until death.

So, I guess you could say that Islam and Shariah law embraces the Ten Commandments, in so much as Hannibal Lecter had a passion for cooking.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia[/url]

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]I find it particularly interesting that you claim that Islamic theology embraces the Ten Commandments, then you make a point regarding American law and Shariah law, and you don't even begin to condemn Shariah law as a completely immoral system of law or governance.[/quote]

I've spent most of my life in Saudi Arabia. I've [i]lived[/i] under Shariah law. I learned about Islam in a Muslim madrassah. And one thing that really annoys me is people who have never set foot in an Islamic country thinking that they know more about the Shariah than I do.

[quote]Last time I checked, Shariah law broke the 5th Commandment (you shall not murder) to punish those who broke the rest (except for the 8th Commandment which Muslims think it is okay to lie for Allah's sake).[/quote]

I don't agree with the death penalty full stop. Killing someone because they have murdered somebody else seems wrong in my eyes. Many Muslims would disagree...and so, it seems, would many citizens in the United States of America. The death penalty can be meted out for crimes such as murder and rape in the vast majority of American states. Why is Shariah law any more immoral because it promotes the same thing?

As for the part about lying, that is an anti-Muslim myth based on twisted extremist interpretations of certain tenets of theology. I've known Muslims who thought it perfectly OK to lie to me since I was a Christian, and according to them lying to Christians doesn't count. However, with the aid of a senior sheikh and one of the most highly esteemed books on fiqh and tawahid, I discovered that they were ill educated at worst and liars themselves at best. One of Islam's ninety-nine names for God is al-Haq, which means 'the truth'. "If Allah is Truth," one imam explained to me, "He can never condone lies because they are not of Him."

[quote]Shariah law allows honor killings hwere a girl who was raped can be executed by her family to regain their honor.[/quote]

Honour killings are NOT in the Shariah and never have been! They are a cultural perversion. They are also present in Hindu, Sikh, and even some Christian communities. The problem seems to be concentrated in the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent. I have a friend who works as a lawyer for a women's rights agency in the Jordan. Her organisation specialises in dealing with honour killings, and it is not just Muslim men who have been convicted of it.

[quote]One recent case of a married woman being gang raped resulted in the four attackers sentenced to several hundred lashes while the woman was sentenced to 200 lashes for being in a car with a man who was not her husband.[/quote]

That is not a Shariah-based ruling either. Sentences are at the discretion of the individual qadi (judge) and often they reflect the qadi's personal prejudices more than anything else. High-profile Muslim women such as Saraji Umm Zaid (one of the founders of the International Muslima Rights Association, or IMRA) have been working to counter these gross injustices with Qur'anically sound Islamic principles for years.

[quote]Adultery is punished by burying the offender (usually a woman, men often are not punished) up to their head in the sand, while groups throw stones at the person's head until death.[/quote]

The Qur'an decrees that adulterers should be punished by stoning, true. And that goes for all adulterers, not just the female ones. I find that barbaric - just as I find the death penalty anywhere barbaric. It should be noted, however, that to convict someone of adultery under Shariah law you need no less that four witness who actually saw the sex act with their own eyes. Otherwise it is not considered a sound or just conviction.

That Wikipedia article is full of inaccuracies and out-and-out errors. Here is one of the most glaring mistakes that I could see:

[quote]Wife-beating is permitted by verse 4:34 of the Quran, which states, "...As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them, but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance)."[/quote]

Hmm...that depends on how you're going to translate the Arabic word for 'beat', darabah. It has multiple meanings. It can be translated as to separate, to part, to set out on a journey, to shroud in blackness, to mint (a coin), to publish (a book), to cover (as in wearing clothes), to send off, to throw, to raise, and many more - and translators of the Qur’an and commentators on it have always had trouble with this word. The notion that daraba means ‘to strike’ in 4.34 is really founded on debatable grounds, involving two particular ahadith. As it happens, words derived from this same root occur no less than 58 times in the Qur’an, and are used in different contexts in ways that can be ambiguous and open to widely different translations into English. In none of these other places is it used or translated in the sense of to hit, strike or beat.

My own knowledge of Islam isn't what I wish it was. It could be much better. But at least I speak fairly good Arabic, have lived among Muslims of varying religious opinions, and have had some formal Islamic education. Please don't purport to teach people about the Shariah if the source of your knowledge is Wikipedia and you've never studied it directly. This is something that really gets to me. It's like those smug Saudi clerics holding forth in the pages of the [i]Saudi Gazette[/i] on the immorality of a West they've never been to.