dairygirl4u2c Posted November 17, 2006 Share Posted November 17, 2006 why or why not I'd accept that they should give the dolls to people who want htem, but rememeber the issue is random. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 It's not inherently immoral to offend someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Ah yes, the inevitable Dairygirl poll on this pressing issue! And I think we all need to also ask the important question: What if the dolls are defective, and make siren noises rather than quote Scripture when you press the button?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingcatholic Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Then they'd be way cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) (If anyone's puzzled by the "siren noises" reference, [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=59419"]go here[/url], [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=59421"]here[/url] or [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=59422"]here![/url]) Edited November 18, 2006 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted November 18, 2006 Author Share Posted November 18, 2006 (edited) I think Socrates fails to truly understand that true debate lies in philosophy. You make arguments using analogies to make your point and reduce the other side's argument as much as possible. Of course with every similiarity in an alalogy there's always a greater dissimilarity, so it can get messy and bad analogies occasionally come up. The trick is finding the right way to frame and debate and potentially get the other side to accept your position as their anaolgies or arguments are shown to be less substantive or wrong. It's not expounding on set doctrine and pointing out obvious flaws in other's debates. It's even not stating your claim regardless of how well thought out it is. It's willing to accept clashing philsophies are going to cause complex chaos that needs sorted out and people willing to do do the sorting. Especially if they are in the debate forum. It'd also be fruitful if you all made analogies to dissent. That way, you could make your points, and see how it can be difficult to make analogies. No one does it, that's how I know you can't do it. Everytime you do, there'll be a dissimilarity that anyone can point out. Of course this being a catholic forum, there won't be many to criticize it. PS I do concede this might not be the most pressing issue. But, I do think it has underlying principles that people who claim to be Christian need to think about. I probably should have said they were a christian in the government, but i don't feel like making a new poll. Edited November 18, 2006 by dairygirl4u2c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollingcatholic Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Analogies such as yours have no place in philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 Nah, I just find your polls hilarious in an absurdist, Monty Python sort of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1122809' date='Nov 17 2006, 10:09 PM'] I think Socrates fails to truly understand that true debate lies in philosophy. You make arguments using analogies to make your point and reduce the other side's argument as much as possible. Of course with every similiarity in an alalogy there's always a greater dissimilarity, so it can get messy and bad analogies occasionally come up. The trick is finding the right way to frame and debate and potentially get the other side to accept your position as their anaolgies or arguments are shown to be less substantive or wrong. It's not expounding on set doctrine and pointing out obvious flaws in other's debates. It's even not stating your claim regardless of how well thought out it is. It's willing to accept clashing philsophies are going to cause complex chaos that needs sorted out and people willing to do do the sorting. Especially if they are in the debate forum. It'd also be fruitful if you all made analogies to dissent. That way, you could make your points, and see how it can be difficult to make analogies. No one does it, that's how I know you can't do it. Everytime you do, there'll be a dissimilarity that anyone can point out. Of course this being a catholic forum, there won't be many to criticize it. PS I do concede this might not be the most pressing issue. But, I do think it has underlying principles that people who claim to be Christian need to think about. I probably should have said they were a christian in the government, but i don't feel like making a new poll. [/quote] I didn't know you could write paragraphs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' post='1122784' date='Nov 17 2006, 09:40 PM'] What if the dolls are defective, and make siren noises rather than quote Scripture when you press the button?? [/quote] That's funny, I don't care who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I think that DairyGirl should converse at these topics in person with others in a university after she gets her doctorates in philosophy and theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I also don't like the ideas of Jesus dolls if they are not very respectful and reverent and made to be venerated as would any other icon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Then you wouldn't like my bobble head Jesus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FullTruth Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 [quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1122336' date='Nov 17 2006, 12:50 PM'] why or why not I'd accept that they should give the dolls to people who want htem, but rememeber the issue is random. [/quote] I wouldn't give a doll of Jesus because I don't believe in Idol Worship. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exodus 20:4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1158127' date='Jan 7 2007, 01:17 PM'] I wouldn't give a doll of Jesus because I don't believe in Idol Worship. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Exodus 20:4. [/quote] Do you own a nativity set? Or for that matter photos of your loved ones? Isn't that idol worship to display such photos or images of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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