NewReformation Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 The surest sign that there IS intelligent life on other planets is the fact that none of it has tried to contact us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 lol parodoxical i am the very first person who ever started a topic about aliens. therefore i have the authority to say a lil something. we decided that aliens don't necessarily have to be of male and female sex, they might just pray for babies and the green stork brings them to em. if they do have souls, and they fell from their garden of eden, they probably are the scientologists of their planet, you know, the religion everyone thinks is wierd for worshipping some alien. cuz Jesus of Nazareth is the only savior. they could very well have never fallen, and thus never die and live always in their garden of eden. possibly God gave them a spacecraft so they can come look at us to keep their conviction not to fall and become as bad as us :ph34r: that's my 234324cents... i have a lot more cents than all of you who only have 2. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 Let's say there are aliens with souls on another planet, would there be another Mary? Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 Jesus of Nazareth is the only savior. i contend that God never incarnated Himself on any other planet. He only had to suffer and die once, for all. not once for each group of creation, whether seperated by continents or solar systems. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 15, 2004 Author Share Posted January 15, 2004 He died for all Mankind, all of Adams Children not all of Creation, I agree completely that all of Adams Children where ever they maybe would be Covered by the single incarnation however that wouldn't proclude other created creatures thatt where not Human and might not be counted in that salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted January 15, 2004 Share Posted January 15, 2004 :unsure: i guess... i still don't like the idea though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 16, 2004 Author Share Posted January 16, 2004 Noer do I really don't think much of the Idea that there is intellegent life outthere but the possability should be concidered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 16, 2004 Author Share Posted January 16, 2004 Further, except for a terribly conceded person (or one who lied to himself for personal gain, ie, slavery), early American settlers may have called the Native Americans "savage," but there was no doubt that they were "humans." If not, they wouldn't have tried to evangelize to them. It's kind of a faulty example, because we knew they had souls. Well actually it was heavily debated about whether or not the natives Were human and it took a Papal decree to settle the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 16, 2004 Author Share Posted January 16, 2004 I do not believe that we are given implicit or explicit dominion over other planets. The English translations of Genesis do not support this. Therefore, the colonization of other worlds is a very touchy subject Yeah this is where I keep ending up. But I am still not sure, certianly colonization or alteration of other worlds would have to be done with far more thought about it that we usually show. Now on the other hand If we do have dominion then our hand would be virtually free as there would be no one else to worry about when concidering an uninhabited world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Don, Purely in the realm of hypothetical musings... What if the drive for exploration was a symptom of the Fall? Think about it, before the Fall Adam and Eve were confined to the Garden. After the Fall, they had free roam over all the earth. God's curse on Cain (part of it) was to wonder the earth endlessly. (The curse of Cain was not vampirism, at least most likely not!) Just some random musings... peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Pedro, Not to butt in, because I know you directed that comment at Don, but that was a fascinating thought. It makes me think of that bit at the beginning of St. Augustine's Confessions , "our heart is restless until it rests in you." But what about the blessing at the beginning of Genesis, to "be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it." (among other things) Fulfilling this blessing, even without the Fall, would necessitate their at some point leaving the Garden and exploring the rest of the Earth, and wouldn't it have been the blessing that drove them to explore? And that blessing wasn't negated by the fall, i.e., we still have some of it; although you could say the curse on Cain was a modification of it. A thought ... Sojourner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted January 17, 2004 Author Share Posted January 17, 2004 Sojourner-- this blessing was simply an act of making man fruitful( fertial) not a command He had uttered the same words to lower animals and the coundn't have understood a command. No if there had been no fall then all people who ever lived would have lived in perfect harmony with God in the garden. Pedro I think one must seperate Our desire to wander homelessly and our desire to explore, however, I think our desire to conlonize space is partly because of our desire to wander, and a profound since of homelessness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PedroX Posted January 21, 2004 Share Posted January 21, 2004 esteemed Don, Can we separate our desire for exploration from our desire to wander homelessly. Isn't our desire to explore little more than a home that over the next horizon we will find home? The old King James Version (bread and butter as I grew up) described us as "aliens and strangers here". We are constantly striving to find our way to Eden, or for a few of the saintly among us to heaven. The restless in man is a by product of the curse. Thrown out of our home, and no longer able to take evening walks and converse directly with God. The closest we come is the Eucharist and for brief moments we transcend this vale of tears and touch home. Then, we move on. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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