Theoketos Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1112656' date='Nov 6 2006, 10:55 AM'] Here is what I hope happens: Rs lose a BUTTLOAD of seats in both houses - would server to shake em up and maybe swing them back toward the right, where they belong. but Ds do not gain enough seats to take a majority in either house - our unborn are dying at a huge rate as it is and all cafeteria Catholics in both houses lose thier seats.....booyah! [/quote] Your avatar makes sense now, o wise one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote]By who? I don't know...[/quote] Well, that's the problem. [quote]Plus, you dropped the name "Haliburton" ...that does make you sound a bit like a Cindy Sheehan MoveOn.org loony leftist, to be honest[/quote] Well, at least the word "Diebold" wasn't used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Higher minimum wage is another stupid idea. Does a manager make the same amount as a regular crew member? No. More responsiblity and demands means more compensation. Higher minimum wage rewards people doing the minimum and makes 'entry level' jobs almost non-existent. You start at the bottom and work your way up. The reason why Flint is losing jobs is because Japan doesn't pay $35 an hour to the person on the line putting in the grease zerts. People aren't buying American cars because the overpaid American worker has no motivation to do the job well, or better than the bare minimum. Why should they? That would be crazy talk. Meanwhile, I have a very hard time hiring people for a construction job, we'll teach you the trade, where the general foreman makes $80k, a project manger $50k, a purchasing agent $40k, and an entry laborer makes $10 an hour plus FREE medical insurance. This year I've 'listed' with the unemployment agency for 6 months. I got 1 applicant who couldn't pass the drug test. Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 of course you as a business owner don't want higher minimum wage, it takes it out of your pocket which means less profit. So you are who the republicans cater too, business. Forget the people, we'll cater to the business's. I do give you kudos though for offering free medical insurance. I personally believe all employers should offer this. Maybe you didnt make the connection I was trying to make. So here goes again.. When one thinks of minimum wage they automatically think of some high schooler just learning the ropes of working. no skills, little knowledge..okay, lets pay them way less or 'barely survivable' because of this..ok thats fine. That worked for the first 20years of minimum wage. The fact is alot more people, skilled with degree's, are being forced to work these jobs because all the good jobs are gone. How are these poeple suppose to make it? This is where you would show your true Christ image. Do you say 'It's their own fault they are in this position' like i've heard so many times. Or do you do what I believe Christ would do and help them everyway I can to make a living and take care of their children..even if it means raising minimum wage? You can't really say 'get assistance' when its even harder to get Medicaid for the kids and you if you are working. Especially around here getting assistance for anything (food, medical, housing, daycare) takes years because the waiting list is so long. Example one: A single mother needs to work to provide for her kid(s). She has to work at Wendy's because thats all that is hiring and around. She needs a babysitter in order to work but each daycare charges around $70-$120/wk per kid. She cant afford it so she tries to get Area 5 to help. oops, waiting list is 2 years long. She can't work because she would only make enough to pay daycare, why? Because minimum wage is so low she can't make it. What do you do? You think this is an isolated incident think again. [b]WE[/b] as Catholics need to think of people like this. Not just focus on abortion, which I agree is a high key issue. I am interested to see if anyone gives me a true Catholic response. Im yet to hear one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote name='kenrockthefirst' post='1113060' date='Nov 6 2006, 04:33 PM'] As opposed to what, the plutocracy we have now? Or are you just referring to the civil liberties implications of "communism," in which case I have to ask you about warrantless wiretapping and "sneak and peek." You can throw labels around all you like but the reality of Bushco's control of America today is, quite frankly, Orwellian. The people that "put the most" into the system aren't taxed, thanks to Bushco. Wealth isn't taxed anymore, only work is. So Sam Walton doesn't pay anything, but only the drudges who labor in his 21st century mills. How do you think Jesus would feel about that? [/quote] Um...you do know that Sam Walton is dead, and therefore shouldn't pay anything, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 [url="http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110009204"][font="Courier New"]An hour-by-hour guide to tonight's results. [/font][/url] [url="http://realclearpolitics.com/"][font="Courier New"]Real Clear Politics newstracker[/font][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 CatholicAnd? No, I'm not a business owner, I've been working as an employee for the last 30+ years. 'true Catholic response'? You have got to be kidding me. You aren't going to find 3 Catholics who will agree on this. Who's to say who is more Catholic than the other? Catholics are human and imperfect, and this matter doesn't relate to defining a dogma or doctrine. God and Jesus did not promise a free ride and said we would have to work for a living. Nobody said it would be easy. Job is an example of having a rought time through no fault of his own. Does that mean God disliked Job for a few years? Those who can work, should work. Those who can't, need some help. It's the troublesome gray area that confounds people. I'm dead set against raising minimum wage because I see the long term negatives of it. Even I would have some short term benefits if my two daughters who help pay for their college got paid more, but the short term gain of easy money undermines the long term benefits. I found it typical you quickly dismissed my ideas as being founded in Greed as a Business Owner. Careful, your myopic bias is showing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 A "true Catholic response"? The Church does not endorse political parties, but there are guides on how a Catholic ought to vote. We sit here and argue and assume that because someone is arguing about poverty, they don't care about abortion, or if someone is arguing about abortion, that they don't care about poverty when that isn't true. All of these issues are important but we cannot ignore the fact some issues are non-negotiable, and do have graver consequences when they are ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 And now, an... [b]ELECTION PREDICTION: [url="http://levin.nationalreview.com/"]by Mark Levin[/url], aka: "The Great One"[/b] [quote] First, my over-arching view is that voters aren't going to line-up at the polls in record numbers to hand Congress over to the hapless Democrats. The Democrats have given voters no reason to flock to them. Indeed, they may well have caused some voters to think twice about supporting them. (Hello John Kerry.) So, I don't expect a massive wave of Republican defeats because I don't expect lopsided turnout for Democrat candidates overall. But there will be Republican losses. That's the nature of war-time and the six-year electoral itch. [u] I believe the Democrats will gain a net two Senate seats. If I am right, this will be a huge defeat for Democrat party. The Democrat leaders believe they will take the Senate, and they won't. In the House, I believe the Democrats will come extremely close to taking control …However, I still believe the Republicans will hold the line — but it will be a thin line numbering a majority of maybe 1, 2, or 3 seats.[/u] Perhaps I am too optimistic. Perhaps not. I remember election eve 2004. …And I remember the doomsday scenario predicted by the so-called exit polls. I urged my listeners to vote. I urged them to ignore the polls. And many others did the same. We won. We've had much more time this election cycle to respond to the latest doomsday scenario. Indeed, we've had months…[/quote] This has been an "Election Prediction" brought to you by Lounge Daddy Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote] A "true Catholic response"? The Church does not endorse political parties, but there are guides on how a Catholic ought to vote. We sit here and argue and assume that because someone is arguing about poverty, they don't care about abortion, or if someone is arguing about abortion, that they don't care about poverty when that isn't true. All of these issues are important but we cannot ignore the fact some issues are non-negotiable, and do have graver consequences when they are ignored. [/quote] what I meant by 'True Catholic response'... When I go to other forums and present the minimum wage argument I usually get a 'its their own fault they are in that situation' or 'they should go to college and get a life' response. Clearly, clearly NOT a response a true Christian would make. I was just curious as to what most of you would say. I personally would respond with a 'I agree this is a problem and agree it needs to be fixed.' or something to that affect. [quote] I'm dead set against raising minimum wage because I see the long term negatives of it. [/quote] which are what? I would love to hear why you think this is a bad idea. if the economy is soo strong like many believe it should withstand a increase in wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' post='1113876' date='Nov 7 2006, 01:53 PM'] I personally would respond with a 'I agree this is a problem and agree it needs to be fixed.' or something to that affect. which are what? I would love to hear why you think this is a bad idea. if the economy is soo strong like many believe it should withstand a increase in wages. [/quote]Do yhou stay up at night to think this stuff up, or does it come to you in a brilliant flash of light? If you 'read' my posts, you would "hear" why I think it's a bad idea. If you were even remotely open minded, you would have listened to the arguments by others why minimum wage is a bad idea. You don't have to agree with them, but to claim there are no down side, or we can 'afford it', is just crazy talk and not to be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 (edited) Ah, never mind. I'm tired. Back to you Bob. Edited November 7, 2006 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 [url="http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061107/NEWS0206/61107022"][font="Courier New"]* Dem lawyers in TN going to court to keep polls open late... [/font][/url] [url="http://kdka.com/local/local_story_311074032.html"][font="Courier New"]* PA Problems...[/font][/url] Hmmm... looking at OJ.com - Tennessee polls are normally open untill 8pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrockthefirst Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 1. There is substantial evidence that the administration "ginned up" the evidence of WMD's to justify its invasion of Iraq. 2. In the past six years, the rich have gotten richer and the poor, poorer. That's a fact. How you square the above with the teachings of Jesus is a matter of conscience for you to deal with Jesus about. Jesus is not a member of the Republican party, nor is he a "Christian Conservative." When each one of us stands before the Judgement Seat, Jesus is going to ask us, when I was hungry, naked, homeless, or in prison, how did you minister to Me? Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1113898' date='Nov 7 2006, 02:06 PM'] Ah, never mind. I'm tired. Back to you Bob. [/quote]Reminds me of an 'urban legend' with the phrase, "That would be the butt, Bob.". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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