Was George Washington's Revolution Sinful?

[Resurrexi]

[quote]Not if by "rad-trad" you mean someone who rejects Vatican II or any of its teachings or disciplines.[/quote]

By rad-trad I mean someone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass or a Novus Ordo in Latin traditionally done (e. g. no EMHCs, ad oritenem, etc.), and who prefers the staightforewardness of the pre-Second Vatican Council documents to the ambiguaty of the Post-Second Vatican Council documents.

I believe in all the Dogmata and teachings of the Catholic Church and I obey all my lawful Pastors, espically the Pope who is currently HH Pope Benedict XVI and at the same time I am a traditionalist Catholic.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1113247' date='Nov 6 2006, 09:38 PM']
By rad-trad I mean someone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass or a Novus Ordo in Latin traditionally done (e. g. no EMHCs, ad oritenem, etc.), and who prefers the staightforewardness of the pre-Second Vatican Council documents to the ambiguaty of the Post-Second Vatican Council documents.

I believe in all the Dogmata and teachings of the Catholic Church and I obey all my lawful Pastors, espically the Pope who is currently HH Pope Benedict XVI and at the same time I am a traditionalist Catholic.
[/quote]
The rest of the world seems to think that "rad-trad" means radical traditionalist. I think there's nothing wrong with being traditionalist in the sense of liking tradition over more novel approaches.

However, the Second Vatican Council documents, ambiguous though they may seem (I think they're quite clear, myself), are the logical continuation of pre-conciliar thought. Sacrosanctum Concilium mirrors Mediator Dei, for instance.

[Socrates]

America had a right to self-governance. It was a colony existing for the enrichment of a nation far across the Atlantic Ocean (which meant a lot more in the days of sailing ships), and could not even choose its own representatives in Parliament.

And it's interesting how none of the American "traditionalist" sorts on here who like to rail about how evil America is because of its rebellion against Good King George have made any serious efforts to move to England so they can live under the rightul authority of England.

[Resurrexi]

The land where I live doesn't belong to England, but to France.

[Socrates]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1113303' date='Nov 6 2006, 10:39 PM']
The land where I live doesn't belong to England, but to France.
[/quote]
So would you rather be paying tribute to France?
(And France sold that land over 200 years ago!)

[ardillacid]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1113303' date='Nov 6 2006, 09:39 PM']
The land where I live doesn't belong to England, but to France.
[/quote]
No, it belongs to the native americans

[Resurrexi]

[quote]No, it belongs to the native americans happy.gif[/quote]

No it does not belong to the [i]indians[/i], for they had no right to own the land since they were not Christian.

[quote]So would you rather be paying tribute to France?[/quote]

Very much so. The French monarchy is Catholic, not Protstant.

[quote](And France sold that land over 200 years ago!)[/quote]

Napoleon was an imposter who had no divine right to reign, and therefore had no authority to sell Louisiana to the United States.

[Socrates]

[quote]No it does not belong to the indians, for they had no right to own the land since they were not Christian.[/quote]
So where in the Catechism does it say that only Christians have the right to own land??

[ardillacid]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1113389' date='Nov 6 2006, 10:40 PM']
No it does not belong to the [i]indians[/i], for they had no right to own the land since they were not Christian.
Very much so. The French monarchy is Catholic, not Protstant.
Napoleon was an imposter who had no divine right to reign, and therefore had no authority to sell Louisiana to the United States.
[/quote]
1) We are justified in taking any land that belongs to non-christians?
2) There is no French Monarchy
3) who decides what government is legit or not?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1113303' date='Nov 6 2006, 09:39 PM']
The land where I live doesn't belong to England, but to France.
[/quote]
Not if France sells it.

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1113389' date='Nov 6 2006, 10:40 PM']
No it does not belong to the [i]indians[/i], for they had no right to own the land since they were not Christian.[/quote]
The Indians never occupied North America. They pretty much kept to south Asia.

Do you stay up nights thinking of this stuff or does it come to you in a brilliant flash of light?

[Matty_boy]

I seem to recall that when the colonists came to the New World, they didn't know anybody else was there. They set up camp and eventually became victims of raids by the "Native Americans". The NAs were not victims of any white man treachery, there was plenty of blame to go around.

It's funny that they're called NAs because last time I checked, the NAs werent calling the place "America" before the settlers arrived.

Edited November 7, 2006 by Matty_boy

[suuran]

Columus encountered Indians when he first landed in the New World, and later Spanish explorations found them pretty much everywhere. It wasn't a big secret that the land was inhabited.

[RC_]

The "native Americans" immigrated from somewhere. They didn't just pop up from the ground.

[homeschoolmom]

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that they didn't pop up from India either.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1113550' date='Nov 7 2006, 09:09 AM']
Do you stay up nights thinking of this stuff or does it come to you in a brilliant flash of light?[/quote]That line is so funny, and so appropo, I'm going to have to use it. Will I have to pay royalties? :