Anomaly Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1108119' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:05 PM'] They intentionally fired the ttaser, they didn't intend for dear Roger's death, but they did fire. [/quote]So for an unintentional consequence, using an approved device, they should no longer be policemen? [mod]personal attack[/mod] Edited November 2, 2006 by Lil Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Anomaly' post='1108117' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:04 PM'] "Family members of Roger Holyfield tell NewsChannel 5 he suffered from Bipolar Disorder. Police say he was ranting and combative when they confronted him Saturday night just a few blocks from the police station. The Chief of the Jerseyville Police Department did not want to go on camera, but released a statement about the incident Saturday night. Police say Holyfield was found walking in the 600 block of South State Street in Jerseyville. He was reportedly carrying a bible and a cordless house phone shouting, "I want my mom and Jesus." The statement indicates when officers approached him, Holyfield became combative and refused several warnings to stop. " I ask you if this behavior sounds like the person is in control of his facilities and seems to be aware of reality around him? So you would have just walked by him and let him jump in front of a truck, thinking it was a transporter beam that will take him to his mom and Jesus? Wow. You are a nice guy. [/quote] I think there are better ways of doing subdoing him, other the shooting him a taser which have killed before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1108124' date='Nov 1 2006, 05:08 PM'] I think there are better ways of doing subdoing him, other the shooting him a taser which have killed before. [/quote] List one method of subduing someone that has NEVER, EVER, NOT ONCE, resulted in an accidental death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Howmany volts do one of those things have? Several huge policeman and they couldnt restrain one teenager? Actually just because someone is shouting and walking down the street is no reason for cops to jump him, unless he was harming himself or others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 catholicnsd, Here's a scenario. You are a Captain on a fire engine and you get a run for a seizure call. It is evening and dark outside. You arrive at a house that is dark outside and dimly lit inside and a civilian points you in saying the patient is on the floor and "fell out" (unconcious.) You and another member of your crew enter the house, with the compliment of your crew (two more firefighters, four yet to arrive on the ambulance and squad) and find a man lying on the bathroom floor breathing irregularly. Your firefighters calls to the man and gets no response, so he moves closer, checking the area with his flashlight. The firefighter is now in a small hallway and you are in the door to the hallway. The patient jumps up and assaults your firefighter, biting him on the hand. Your call, what do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1108124' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:08 PM'] I think there are better ways of doing subdoing him, other the shooting him a taser which have killed before. [/quote] Like, subduing him via brute force, which has also killed before? Shooting him with a rubber bullet which has killed before? Shooting him with a bean bag which has killed before? Please, explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 (And provide evidence that it is as you claim.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Winchester' post='1108129' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:09 PM'] catholicnsd, Here's a scenario. You are a Captain on a fire engine and you get a run for a seizure call. It is evening and dark outside. You arrive at a house that is dark outside and dimly lit inside and a civilian points you in saying the patient is on the floor and "fell out" (unconcious.) You and another member of your crew enter the house, with the compliment of your crew (two more firefighters, four yet to arrive on the ambulance and squad) and find a man lying on the bathroom floor breathing irregularly. Your firefighters calls to the man and gets no response, so he moves closer, checking the area with his flashlight. The firefighter is now in a small hallway and you are in the door to the hallway. The patient jumps up and assaults your firefighter, biting him on the hand. Your call, what do you do? [/quote] Thai kick his leg to distract him before using a tai otoshi to get him down and claiming side-mount position. From there it's a matter of restraining him with rope or cord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1108127' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:09 PM'] List one method of subduing someone that has NEVER, EVER, NOT ONCE, resulted in an accidental death. [/quote] Talking to him. [quote name='Winchester' post='1108129' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:09 PM'] catholicnsd, Here's a scenario. You are a Captain on a fire engine and you get a run for a seizure call. It is evening and dark outside. You arrive at a house that is dark outside and dimly lit inside and a civilian points you in saying the patient is on the floor and "fell out" (unconcious.) You and another member of your crew enter the house, with the compliment of your crew (two more firefighters, four yet to arrive on the ambulance and squad) and find a man lying on the bathroom floor breathing irregularly. Your firefighters calls to the man and gets no response, so he moves closer, checking the area with his flashlight. The firefighter is now in a small hallway and you are in the door to the hallway. The patient jumps up and assaults your firefighter, biting him on the hand. Your call, what do you do? [/quote] I ask you, do FF's carry tasers? Secondly Roger try to bit anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1108133' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:11 PM'] Talking to him. [/quote][mod]personal attack[/mod] They already had tried that. Read the article. (Kudos to Kizlar for the cool answer!) Edited November 2, 2006 by Lil Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 The tried that. It didn't work. Try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='Budge' post='1108128' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:09 PM'] Several huge policeman and they couldnt restrain one teenager? Actually just because someone is shouting and walking down the street is no reason for cops to jump him, unless he was harming himself or others. [/quote] Exaclty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1108133' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:11 PM'] Talking to him. [/quote] Have you ever dealt with the mentally ill before? I have, and sometimes talking goes right out the window. We had one guy who was suffering from severe depression and was an alcoholic and he started throwing punches at a homeless dinner. The other homeless men managed to subdue him and escort him from the premises before the police arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 (edited) [quote name='T-Bone' post='1108139' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:13 PM'] The tried that. It didn't work. [/quote] Do you a metally ill person would be scared of cop? They should have kept talking, and tried to get him his mother or Jesus. [quote name='KizlarAgha' post='1108141' date='Nov 1 2006, 08:13 PM'] Have you ever dealt with the mentally ill before? [/quote] I work with 3. Edited November 2, 2006 by catholicinsd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Catholicnsd. You've put forth your idea on how to deal with such situations. I've given you one, now solve it. No in HFD we do not carry tasers. Can you make a call or not? You are in the same situation cops and firefighters face every day, now go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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