Children Are So Cruel

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This thread reminds me of a scene from the Simpsons:

Marge: Kinds can be so cruel.

Bart: Really!? (Punches Lisa)

[CrossCuT]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' post='1115151' date='Nov 8 2006, 01:11 PM']
Being the very naive child that I was in private school, my transition to public school in high school was very difficult for me too. I did not bounce back quite like you did. It took me almost all of high school to figure out what I was supposed to be doing with myself. It was hard, but I survived. And I'm stronger for it. And I appreciate the hardships because without them, I highly doubt my faith would be where it is today.
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[size=1]It took me till the end of my junior year to bounce back.
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[quote name='MRSannie' post='1115199' date='Nov 8 2006, 02:06 PM']
Ladies! Ladies! Would you welcome some humble wisdom from an old mom taking a break from housework?

Think Ladies!! Think about what you have both described!

Transition from grade (or middle ) school happens WHEN??
Ah-Ha! right about age 13/14 right?

whether you are coming from homeschooling to private school, Catholic school to private school, public school to private school, public to public, private to public, public to HS, etc etc

YOU WERE A TEENAGER IN TRANSITION!!!!

So,...that means a)whacky hormones b)surge of fitting in crisis c)??do I like myself?? d)PMS need I say more e)acne f)puberty and all the joys of it
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[size=1]What happened to me had nothing to do with whacky hormones or the changes of puberty. It was out of my control and completely separate from myself.
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[quote] feel that you are a well balanced individual, be it in spite of or because of you homeschooling. You have intelligent and well thought out responses.
I feel that everything should be taken into consideration: God made each and every person so marvelously different that parents and teachers both need to pay attention to those little "special" things and educate accordingly. Perhaps each system has its benefits but it also has it's deficits that need to be taken into consideration. There is no right solution except the one that you create for yourself.
In this case it is subjective.[/quote]

Sounds alright to me.

In a personal statement I feel that GOD gave us the right to school children. But, as with everything in this world ( Alcohol, Smoking, Ink, Piercings.) We have abused it and tried to take the foundation from it. Since the seperation of church and state people have turned it into seperation of GOD from man. Children in public schools arent allowed to bring Bibles upon threat of suspension and even expultion. But, goth and punk rocker kids are allowed to show up in black shirts with flaming upside-down pentagrams on them. I feel that in certain ways the system is a tad warped. But, we live in a sinful world, we knew this would happen from the beinging, and now everyone is acting like its such a new thing but, its not.

I don't really favor public schooling but ,as I said before some people don't have the choice. I would rather homeschool them or send them to Catholic school (and you really can't escape the torture there either, but the mission of the school is fully Christocentric.)

Here is a few of my instances:

[url="http://www.topix.net/forum/city/knoxville-tn/TITQH37RUMDUE0SHG"]Teacher Suspended for Telling Students to Read Bible[/url]

[url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15496090/"]Kid Killed after Yelling "I want Jesus"[/url]

Edited November 8, 2006 by GloriaIesusChristi

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='CrossCuT' post='1115290' date='Nov 8 2006, 03:26 PM']
[size=1]It took me till the end of my junior year to bounce back. [/size]
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Same here.

[CrossCuT]

[size=1]Yea, it was hard, I lost some friends in the process, but it was for the best. I needed to find people who could help me become a better person.
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[franciscanheart]

Just the opposite of that with me - I gained a handful of really supportive, really great friends.

[xTrishaxLynnx]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1114971' date='Nov 8 2006, 08:19 AM']
My kids know lots of kids with learning disabilities, physical challenges, and "behavior" problems. [b]They don't always know that they know kids with these issues-- it's not like they see them go off to the nurse for their meds at lunch each day or see that they only go to the "special" classroom. No. To my kids, they are just kids.[/b]
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That's how it should be. Bravo. Homeschooling is the best. Where else can you get wholesome teaching with a good helping of Catholicism mixed into every aspect? And don't tell me private Catholic school, cuz I've been there, and I learned diddly squat compared to what I ought to have known by Confirmation... things I probably would have learned if I had been homeschooled. I realized this before high school and begged to be homeschooled. No dice. Public high school was dreadful, I don't miss it one bit.

I was just telling a phellow PMer I'd even rather just read, read, read... and learn what I want to learn on my own or with a small group of people with the same interests, rather than continue wasting money at the community college I'm attending now.

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='xTrishaxLynnx' post='1115811' date='Nov 9 2006, 01:22 AM']
That's how it should be. Bravo. Homeschooling is the best. Where else can you get wholesome teaching with a good helping of Catholicism mixed into every aspect? And don't tell me private Catholic school, cuz I've been there, and I learned diddly squat compared to what I ought to have known by Confirmation... things I probably would have learned if I had been homeschooled. I realized this before high school and begged to be homeschooled. No dice. Public high school was dreadful, I don't miss it one bit.

I was just telling a phellow PMer I'd even rather just read, read, read... and learn what I want to learn on my own or with a small group of people with the same interests, rather than continue wasting money at the community college I'm attending now.
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Did you read any of the other posts?


Some Catholic schools smell of elderberries. Some don't. Some public schools smell of elderberries. Some don't.

Some people are better off at a good Catholic school than at home. Some parents, as faithful and as good as they are, don't have the knowledge to teach their kids what they learn in school. Some of them don't have the patience. Some of them don't have the resources.


But in a second attempt to bring this topic back to the topic of the OP: [b]bullies stink[/b].

[desertwoman]

Kid's don't like things that are too different from the norm. Sadly, some adults are still kids.

[Balthazor]

[quote name='xTrishaxLynnx' post='1115811' date='Nov 9 2006, 01:22 AM']
That's how it should be. Bravo. Homeschooling is the best. Where else can you get wholesome teaching with a good helping of Catholicism mixed into every aspect? And don't tell me private Catholic school, cuz I've been there, and I learned diddly squat compared to what I ought to have known by Confirmation... things I probably would have learned if I had been homeschooled. I realized this before high school and begged to be homeschooled. No dice. Public high school was dreadful, I don't miss it one bit.

I was just telling a phellow PMer I'd even rather just read, read, read... and learn what I want to learn on my own or with a small group of people with the same interests, rather than continue wasting money at the community college I'm attending now.
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Yes "If"....things are always better if aren't they because you can make up the outcome. IF you were homeschooled life would have been better, you would have been smarter, a better person, more well balanced, better friends...I am so glad you know this for sure.

As for your "deficient" public education why didn't you suppliment it with things you wanted to learn. I was taking independent correspondence courses for college credit in high school, I got involved in the academic competitions, I did extra reports and extra credit and I read whatever I wanted besides the stuff I had in school. My teachers were wonderful, my parents provided anything else I needed and I don't ever think I will stop learning about Catholicism. If you really want to learn something then learn it.....I started teaching myself Polish and then found a teacher for myself and bought books to learn it, for example. The resources were out there, what was the problem?

[MRSannie]

CrossCut, I didn't mean to imply your situation was because of hormones etc, but speaking in generalities, the transition to high school is tough inherently due to the time of life. Of course kids have added tribulations (that can be awful) which would cause terrible pain in and of themselves, at any age. I guess my point is that no one escapes the 'basic package' of difficulty at that age, some just get 'upgraded' in the tribulation level when terrible things are added to it.

I mean, think of the average family, when their first child turns 13/14, how old are the parents typically? If they were married in the mid 20's, the parents are turning 40ish when the child starts the tumultuus teen years. Hmmm, with no strong, solid foundation in a home, this is the time marriages get stale, maybe stress from raising teens leaves no 'positve reinforcement' at home that the married couple 'used' as the 'glue' between them. Heck, when little Susie was greeting Daddy after work with 'I love you Daddy! Let's play hide and seek!' and now Daddy gets home to find out Susie is flunking Chem or refuses to clean her room or got caught shoplifting or all of the other NORMAL trials of conflict with teenagers, the stress on the marriage builds. Family implosion, disillusionment of parents (a problem only if parents are SOOOOOO focused on their kids from day 1, this is surely a dead end), teens dealing with what was mentioned before, and then any added tribulations to either party (illness, crime victimization, accidents, finacial loss, relocation, etc) and WOW, it is the worst time of life. This leaves kids vulnerable, and it is all the timing--

[xTrishaxLynnx]

[quote name='Balthazor' post='1115890' date='Nov 9 2006, 05:59 AM']
Yes "If"....things are always better if aren't they because you can make up the outcome. IF you were homeschooled life would have been better, you would have been smarter, a better person, more well balanced, better friends...I am so glad you know this for sure.
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Note the word [i][b]probably[/b][/i]. I never said "I know." And who said anything about better friends, or life being better? I just said I PROBABLY would have learned a lot more about Catholicism. Certainly my life would have been much harder, but you wouldn't understand that unless you knew my Dad's ex wife.

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As for your "deficient" public education why didn't you suppliment it with things you wanted to learn.
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Who says I didnt??

I used study halls and stayed after school to do an independent study in Spanish. I taught myself enough German to be able to read it, and write a little. I wrote often, I drew, I read so much that my parents often had to hide my books from me so I'd go to sleep at night. When I wasn't allowed to go on the heritage tour in 8th grade, I waited a year and went to MD, VA, Washington D.C. with my grandparents and my great uncle agreed to be a tour guide and took us to all of the educational attractions we could fit into 8 days. I learned from my father, a carpenter, quite a lot about carpentry and building and repairing things on my own by going to work with him as often as I could. Etc.. Etc.. Etc.. Etc...

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I was taking independent correspondence courses for college credit in high school, I got involved in the academic competitions, I did extra reports and extra credit and I read whatever I wanted besides the stuff I had in school. My teachers were wonderful, my parents provided anything else I needed and I don't ever think I will stop learning about Catholicism. If you really want to learn something then learn it.....I started teaching myself Polish and then found a teacher for myself and bought books to learn it, for example. The resources were out there, what was the problem?
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I didn't say there was any lack of options for courses to take, or that I don't learn what I want to outside of school. I was referring to the environment. Even at college the environment leaves a lot to be desired. And it's hard to teach yourself about Catholicism at 14, especially when all you've ever learned was the 'fluff' minus a good percentage of the truth. And I didn't know at 7 that I needed to learn anymore than I already was.



Yeesh. [url="http://imageshack.us"][img]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4660/ermmme8.gif[/img][/url]

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[quote name='xTrishaxLynnx' post='1115811' date='Nov 9 2006, 01:22 AM']
Bravo. Homeschooling is the best.
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[size=1]Not for everyone.
I learned NOTHING in homeschool except religion.
Everything else I had to make up once I DID start going to a regular school.
Home school screwed me over.
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[quote name='xTrishaxLynnx' post='1115811' date='Nov 9 2006, 01:22 AM']
Where else can you get wholesome teaching with a good helping of Catholicism mixed into every aspect? And don't tell me private Catholic school, cuz I've been there, and I learned diddly squat compared to what I ought to have known by Confirmation... things I probably would have learned if I had been homeschooled.
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[size=1]The private high school I went to was considered the best in the state for Catholic Education.
I learned alot from it.
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[franciscanheart]

[quote name='desertwoman' post='1115887' date='Nov 9 2006, 05:09 AM']
Kid's don't like things that are too different from the norm. Sadly, some adults are still kids.
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I don't think anyone has said it better thus far. (Your sig is one of my favs, btw.)

[quote name='Balthazor' post='1115890' date='Nov 9 2006, 05:59 AM']
Yes "If"....things are always better if aren't they because you can make up the outcome. IF you were homeschooled life would have been better, you would have been smarter, a better person, more well balanced, better friends...I am so glad you know this for sure.

As for your "deficient" public education why didn't you suppliment it with things you wanted to learn. I was taking independent correspondence courses for college credit in high school, I got involved in the academic competitions, I did extra reports and extra credit and I read whatever I wanted besides the stuff I had in school. My teachers were wonderful, my parents provided anything else I needed and I don't ever think I will stop learning about Catholicism. If you really want to learn something then learn it.....I started teaching myself Polish and then found a teacher for myself and bought books to learn it, for example. The resources were out there, what was the problem?
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Couldn't have said it better myself.

[fearundercontrol]

I'm coming in a little late to this thread, but I can totally sympathize with it. I was the target of much teasing and bullying all throughout elementary and middle school, so I know what it's like and how damaging it can be.