Ash Wednesday Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 (edited) So tell me about Father Malachi Martin. I just found out about him recently. He sounds like a curious individual -- I know he was an advisor to high vatican officials, knew a lot about demonic possessions, and was critical of the Jesuit order in recent years and of certain things that took place after Vatican II -- but did receive dispensation from the Jesuit order from Paul VI himself. What was his story? (He's dead now.) I read [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Martin"]his Wikipedia article[/url] but it only says so much. Do tell. Edited October 29, 2006 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 (edited) Short story. He was: 1) An ex-Jesuit priest. 2) a Traditionalist 3) an author who wrote both fiction and non-fiction based on his personal experiences within the Church, including some claims about the infiltration of satanism and Communism into the Church. Edited October 29, 2006 by Mateo el Feo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted October 29, 2006 Share Posted October 29, 2006 [url="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/malachi_martin.htm"]http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/malachi_martin.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted October 29, 2006 Author Share Posted October 29, 2006 I find the term "traditionalist" to be confusing these days. So when it's said he is "traditionalist" does that mean he was schismatic, or was he in communion with the church, but just didn't like some of the things that happened after Vatican II? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' post='1104270' date='Oct 29 2006, 07:24 PM'] I find the term "traditionalist" to be confusing these days. So when it's said he is "traditionalist" does that mean he was schismatic, or was he in communion with the church, but just didn't like some of the things that happened after Vatican II? [/quote] I don't know if he was ever formally schismatic, but he is a favorite among "conspiracy-theory" types. He thought that Satanists/Freemasons/etc. were taking over the Vatican. I'm not an expert on him, but from what I've seen, he seems rather "phishy." I think it's best not to pay too much attention to his writings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeyman Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 He was an occasional guest on Art Bell's overnight radio show "Coast to Coast AM" . . . which is just on the other side of the envelope from fully credible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendan1104 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 He lived and died a priest- only dispensed from his Jesuit vows of poverty and obedience. Cam likes and recommends his books, and we know how faithful and smart Cam is. Although Malachi did exist at sedevacantist ordinations, and seemingly died a sede. Pray for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goetian Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 I don't really know or care about his standing with the Church but the man knew about demons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendan1104 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 He was an exorcist, of course he did. What he knew about such activity in New York City, and the world over is almost unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 [quote name='brendan1104' post='1104591' date='Oct 29 2006, 09:49 PM'] He lived and died a priest- only dispensed from his Jesuit vows of poverty and obedience. Cam likes and recommends his books, and we know how faithful and smart Cam is. Although Malachi did exist at sedevacantist ordinations, and seemingly died a sede. Pray for him. [/quote] Malachi Martin was a priest. I don't think it fair to classify him as an ex-Jebbie, becuase he never formally left them, and his spirituality was always Jesuit in nature; but he was dispensed from the vows above mentioned, although one should note that he was never formally dispensed from the 4th vow, obedience to the Pope. He was a bit of an enigmatic figure insofar as he never divulged completely his reasons for his actions, and it was up to him not to talk about it. But insofar as anyone can tell, he was active in his priestly ministry even after the dispensations. Some say that he was leaning toward "the sede's," but there is no proof as to the reasoning for this. I do know that he only celebrated the Tridentine, this is perhaps the reasoning for him asking for the dispensation, but like I said no one ever got a straight answer on that from him, His novels came at the end of his life and while they are intriguing, they are works of fiction. My favorite is Windswept House. His look into the Church via the novels was quite refreshing, but they also did nothing but fire the speculation regarding Fr. Martin. I hope this bit helps, there really is not that much that can be said of him, except that he was a faithful Catholic priest, turned author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brendan1104 Posted October 30, 2006 Share Posted October 30, 2006 [url="http://www.coomaraswamy-catholic-writings.com/RC1b.jpg"]http://www.coomaraswamy-catholic-writings.com/RC1b.jpg[/url] [url="http://www.coomaraswamy-catholic-writings.com/RC2b.jpg"]http://www.coomaraswamy-catholic-writings.com/RC2b.jpg[/url] Yep, a sede priest officially assisting at a sede ordination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted October 31, 2006 Share Posted October 31, 2006 I enjoyed listening to him on Coast to Coast am... man I am a hope-less 3rd shifter - lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 There is a double cd set of interviews with Fr. Martin with a subscription to a newsletter... [url="http://www.coasttocoastam.com/afterdark/index.html#p"] After Dark Newsletter[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 (edited) Hey - I've landed a copy of Art Bell's very first interview with Fr. Martin (and, no I didn't subscribe to the After Dark Newsletter- lol) The interview is from waaaaaaay back in 1996 - so a decade ago It's very interesting because Art Bell admits right away that he is completely ignorant of Catholicism - other than what he picked up from his Catholic wife (who passed away a short time ago), and movies like [i] The Exorcist [/i] - lol Fr. Martin was introduced in this way: [quote] (Paraphrasing) Former Exorcist; one time advisor to three Popes; as a member of the Vatican Intelligence Network under Pope John XXIII, Fr. Martin helped extend the Catholic Church beneath the Iron Curtain… and some other stuff about being a former Jesuit and currently working odd jobs for the Church in New York and being an author… [/quote] And then Art (mistakenly) introduces Fr. Martin as "doctor martin" ...I guess because Fr. Martin was dispensed from two of his vows? hehe - Fr. Martin did mention in a later interview I heard that he maintained his vows of obedience and celibacy At any rate, I’m listening to it for the first time right at this moment, and Art Bell is focusing in on exorcisms. The interview I heard before was the 2nd interview because the questions in it were framed as follow up questions meant to flesh out previous points from “the past interview.” This is fascinating stuff – and I am learning quite a bit… HOWEVER, because I am getting ready to dive into a book titled “Spies in the Vatican: Espionage & Intrigue from Napoleon to the Holocaust” I am hoping to hear about the Vatican Intelligence Network, simply because this is something kept fairly hush-hush and on the qt. Edited November 1, 2006 by Lounge Daddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted November 1, 2006 Share Posted November 1, 2006 Read Windswept House... what is interesting is many things in that book CAME TRUE. Especially stuff about sex scandals. Remember it is non-fiction disguised as fiction. The Cardinal of Century City seems to be a dead-ringer for Mahony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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