Anomaly Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1100663' date='Oct 25 2006, 02:53 AM'] Gum is not the point, injustice is the point. If preaching the truth of Christ' Church is illegal, why preach it? [/quote]DOH. Because the moral implications between owning gum and preaching Christianity don't even compare. Because for you Catholics, the Catechism explains the moral order. You are morally obliged to obey Civil Athorities unless a GREATER moral principle requires you to do otherwise. What moral principle is violated by obeying the law to not own or chew gum? What moral principle is violated by obeying the law to not teach or witness about coming to know God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='Anomaly' post='1100684' date='Oct 25 2006, 06:48 AM'] DOH. Because the moral implications between owning gum and preaching Christianity don't even compare. Because for you Catholics, the Catechism explains the moral order. You are morally obliged to obey Civil Athorities unless a GREATER moral principle requires you to do otherwise. What moral principle is violated by obeying the law to not own or chew gum? What moral principle is violated by obeying the law to not teach or witness about coming to know God? [/quote] Again it is not about the gum but the injustice in Singapore and lack of liberty. And I was not comparing the two as if they were equals. Being caned for not paying a fine is an injustice. Being put in prison for preaching Christ is a greater injustice. The moral principle that is violated is the will of God, which Christ gave us... "Go therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 Is it the caning or the punishing that's bugging you? If someone were put in jail for 30 days for not paying their "gum fine" would that be okay with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 it would be better... Caning someone sounds so "old testament", why not just cut off a theifs hand if your going to be caning people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 wah, wah, wah. They cane people and it's no secret. It's also meant as a deterrent. There is no correlation between caning for gum and caning for preaching. Get off it. Of course there are limits on liberty, otherwise there is anarchy. And people have to qualify the exercise of their personal liberties with the rights of the general public as well. We live in a society, not as a bunch of individuals with only ourselves to think about. Your example for caning for breaking a civil law and not being able to pay a $500 fine is pointless. Caning must not be that bad that you wouldn't or couldn't pay $500 to avoid it. Bad things happen to stupid and irresponsible people. It's the way of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domine ut Videam Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1100774' date='Oct 25 2006, 10:24 AM'] it would be better... Caning someone sounds so "old testament", why not just cut off a theifs hand if your going to be caning people. [/quote] If it really was that bad and that oppressive people wouldn't live there. The singaporese (sorry i don't know what to call them ) people would revolt. I am not saying that caning people is right i am just asking that this be looked at logically. The people of a land can only withstand injustice for so long and then they revolt. There has been no unrest, no revolts, no coups. People actually [u]move there[/u]. Companies [u]move there[/u]. If it was struggling and there was signs of unrest, i don't believe they would do this. We were just talking about this in my Supreme Court class because we were talking about how America has very little morals and ethics anymore and one of the reasons why this is is becuase there are very few consequences or shame brought upon people when they do bad things in the US. Obviously this is not the case in Singapore. That is why it was brought up. Now.....is Singapore doing things right.....I don't know.....but we are not either. So who's to say who's right or wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 25, 2006 Share Posted October 25, 2006 [quote]Well you do not have to believe, but you also do not have to be rude, leave the jokes for the lame room.[/quote] The ironic post award goes to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 The OC government of Singapore has unjustly killed so many people, I seriously think the UN should look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 I'm still trying to work up some tears for a heroin trafficker...wait, hang on...nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 [quote]The OC government of Singapore has unjustly killed so many people, I seriously think the UN should look into it.[/quote] [quote name='Winchester' post='1101337' date='Oct 25 2006, 11:08 PM'] I'm still trying to work up some tears for a heroin trafficker...wait, hang on...nope. [/quote] So far we have a heroin trafficker being hung, and an anonymous person caned for being unable to pay a fine for possesion of gum in a country where it is well known that gum is illegal. Where's the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 some people go around looking for things to be upset about. Don't forget Michael Fay. He doesn't get any tears from me, either, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1101383' date='Oct 26 2006, 07:36 AM'] some people go around looking for things to be upset about. Don't forget Michael Fay. He doesn't get any tears from me, either, though. [/quote] Oh yeah, Mike Fay. He became a butane inhaler and caught himself on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted October 26, 2006 Share Posted October 26, 2006 Yeah, that's what I read. i'm sure it's all due to his caning. Or the fact that he was a deliquent before and after the caning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted October 26, 2006 Author Share Posted October 26, 2006 [quote name='Winchester' post='1101337' date='Oct 26 2006, 01:08 AM'] I'm still trying to work up some tears for a heroin trafficker...wait, hang on...nope. [/quote] Well, let's hope you don't every get in trouble for someone else's crime in Singapore. [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1101383' date='Oct 26 2006, 08:36 AM'] some people go around looking for things to be upset about. [/quote] That is better than the conservative false blissful ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted October 27, 2006 Share Posted October 27, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1101965' date='Oct 26 2006, 07:34 PM'] Well, let's hope you don't every get in trouble for someone else's crime in Singapore. [/quote] ????? So you are saying he didn't do it and was falsely accused???????? He was just walking around minding his own business when the authorities just picked him out at random because they needed to have someone to arrest because they couldn't arrest the real culprit?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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