Groo the Wanderer Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Dunno about all of you , but I have been preparing a list of questions for God for when I get to see him face to face : These are those mostly insignificant things in the big scope of things, but really make me scratch my head sometimes and say 'hmmm...' Question 326: Why is Satan jealous of and hate humanity? I wanna ask this because I (as a human with limited human intelligence, wisdom, and sight) see no reason why he should. As I see it from the info in the Bible and the CCC, God created Lucifer as the mightiest of angels. Gretaer in power and glory than the rest. L's sin was to aspire to be like God (pride) and so he fell. But why does he hate mankind? His power was greater (at least compared to our mere mortal forms), his intelligence was greater, he was closely imtimate to God at one point, he had free will like we do, he had an immortal soul like we do, he had (but threw away) the promise of eternity in Heaven like we do. So why is he jealous? I'm throwing this out to see what y'all think and if there are any other teachings the Church has on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church Punk Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Because humans were created in Gods Image. We are the image of God, Satan hates God, thus Satan hates us. Further what pisses him off more is that after he and his angels fell, God decided to give all their places in heaven to Humans (the Saints). Thats why I think he hates us so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest T-Bone Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 God gave us Free Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 [quote name='T-Bone' post='1094829' date='Oct 18 2006, 11:48 AM'] God gave us Free Will. [/quote] yeah, Angels don't have it. Once they make a choice they are stuck with it. Which is why Satan hasn't been to Confession yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 Methinks ye may be wrong. Angels do indeed have free will, as evidenced in Revelation where a third of them chose to follow Satan and turn from God, and because of this were cast down out of Heaven. If you are correct then you are saying Satan hate/envies mankind because mankind can make CHOICES be he cannot. This hatred arising after he CHOSE to rebel against God? don't make sense to dis man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church Punk Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 (edited) What do you think of my response? Edited October 18, 2006 by Church Punk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Since God knows all , he would have known the angels were gonna rebel at the creation and man, so he couldn't have made a decision after the fact, he would have known already. [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04764a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04764a.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groo the Wanderer Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 [quote name='Church Punk' post='1094856' date='Oct 18 2006, 11:30 AM'] What do you think of my response? [/quote] groo likes...makes sense. poor ole devil cannot have relief from the eternal sorrow he must feel at complete seperation from god, so he hates God. Because we are made in his image (what that means at so many levels is a good topic for another thread : ) he hates us too. good...very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1094846' date='Oct 18 2006, 11:14 AM'] Methinks ye may be wrong. Angels do indeed have free will, as evidenced in Revelation where a third of them chose to follow Satan and turn from God, and because of this were cast down out of Heaven. If you are correct then you are saying Satan hate/envies mankind because mankind can make CHOICES be he cannot. This hatred arising after he CHOSE to rebel against God? don't make sense to dis man... [/quote] Be sure to define what your defination of free will is exactly. The power to choose good or evil would exclude Angels and even God Himself from having a free will. St. Anselm wrote On The Fall of the Devil, you may want to check it out... Edited October 18, 2006 by rkwright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 The angels have free will. Free will does not mean that we have the ability to change our minds. Free will means that we can choose to do good or to not do good or to do evil. Satan chose to separate himself from God. The reason the devil can not change anymore is because angels get only one chance, one choice ever. This is because they live outside of time (I think). So once Satan (or anyone) is in Hell he will never change. Because he is eternally separated from God, he will never ever chose anything except for evil. The reserve is true of the angels in heaven. The reason Satan is in his current predicament is because he chose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 If I remember properly, Lucifer became angry because God was going to take human form (Jesus), which would put that human above the angels, because he would be human and God. Am I making sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 A theory (this is pious speculation, not defined dogma) is that Satan and the other rebel angels were given knowledge of some kind of the Incarnation (that God would become Man), and rebelled at the notion of having to adore a creature so much lower than themselves in the natural order of creation. (For comparison, imagine human beings being told that God would become incarnate as a worm or germ, and that we would have to bow down and adore Him in this form.) While it's hard to get inside the mind of a creature that is pure spirit, this theory has always personally made the most sense to me. And the angels can only make one choice for good or evil, because they are pure spirit, and exist outside of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Satan has no capacity for love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Socrates' post='1095350' date='Oct 18 2006, 08:18 PM'] A theory (this is pious speculation, not defined dogma) is that Satan and the other rebel angels were given knowledge of some kind of the Incarnation (that God would become Man), and rebelled at the notion of having to adore a creature so much lower than themselves in the natural order of creation. (For comparison, imagine human beings being told that God would become incarnate as a worm or germ, and that we would have to bow down and adore Him in this form.) While it's hard to get inside the mind of a creature that is pure spirit, this theory has always personally made the most sense to me. And the angels can only make one choice for good or evil, because they are pure spirit, and exist outside of time. [/quote] I think this is what I was trying to say... Socrates just said it a lot better! Edited October 19, 2006 by MissScripture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jswranch Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Wait, did Satan actually know that God would take human form? Didnt it take him period of time for the incarnation to sink in? I kinda liked the Anne Rice model in "Christ our Lord," where Satan is racking his brains infront of a young Jesus till he looses his cool and shouts, "TELL ME WHAT YOU ARE ANGEL-CHILD!!!" (or something like that) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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