Church Prevents Sacrilege, Insures Body Of Christ Is Protected

[Balthazor]

lol you are so funny and look you made a pun....Mass and masses....!!! :

[Winchester]

[quote name='RC_' post='1119195' date='Nov 13 2006, 06:01 PM']
For all you know, both parents might be dwarfs.

Back on topic now...
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Oh hell, it's the post nazis...

[quote]lol you are so funny and look you made a pun....Mass and masses....!!! [/quote]

Thank you. I'll be here all weekend.

[toledo_jesus]

i'm sure his dumb parents think he won't be getting as much Communion as all the other little boys who can receive the whole Host.

What a couple of schlubs these parents are. I hope they read this very thread so they will know I called them schlubs.

[Balthazor]

I am sure that the bishop will have it out with them, of course it has been my experience that when it gets to this point people only hear what they want to hear.

What exactly is a schlub anyway?....sounds like a Yiddish word. Definate german origins.

[Winchester]

I think the parents are in a situation I hope I'm never in. Let's back off the invective.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1119774' date='Nov 14 2006, 03:21 PM']
I think the parents are in a situation I hope I'm never in. Let's back off the invective.
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I think that the parents are in a perfectly adaptable situation, and are making what they think is a point in order to get their way.

As far as major problems go, this isn't one of them. It's been made into a drama.

But I retract my previous assessment.

[bonoducchi]

[quote name='RC_' post='1089149' date='Oct 11 2006, 12:59 PM']
[url="http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0304communion0304.html"]Link Here[/url]

The Catholic Church has told the parents of a 10-year-old autistic boy that, because the child cannot consume the host, he is not receiving Communion properly. Until he does, church officials say, he cannot partake of the church's most meaningful sacrament.

According to a letter from Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted, delivered to the Lake Havasu City family on Feb. 12, the boy cannot accept Communion in the Catholic Church until he can "actually receive the Eucharist, actually take and eat."

Because of his condition, Matthew Moran cannot swallow foods with certain textures.
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So Matthew, who received his First Communion nearly three years ago in Pennsylvania, participates in Communion in an unusual way. As his father watches, the boy takes the Communion wafer and places it in his mouth. His father, Nick Moran, then removes it and consumes the host himself.

[b]Otherwise, Matthew would spit it out, his father says. [/b]

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Phoenix Diocese officials contend that Matthew has not been prohibited from Communion, only that the bishop is "not able to approve the present practice," according to his letter. He offered assistance, which has come in the form of various hosts for Matthew to try, educational material and other recommendations for the parents, including respite care, in which trained personnel would look after the children while the parents took time for themselves.

"Matthew deserves to be able to take the Eucharist fully and completely," said Isabella Rice of the diocese Office on Disabilities and Pastoral Care. "As long as he is unable to do so, we will keep working with him."

The issue carries extreme importance for Catholics. Communion, a sacrament also known as the Eucharist, is the center of the church's worship life. In his letter to the family, Olmsted says, "The Eucharist is the great treasure of our Catholic faith."

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"I took my son to CCD (religious education) classes for two years to prepare him," said Moran, a stay-at-home father. "He deserves it."

Moran also said his son realizes that he is doing something special. When he was not allowed to go to Communion on Feb. 26, "it was terrible," said Matthew's mother. "[b]Matt screamed and cried because he did not get his Communion."[/b]

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But diocese officials say the family never met with the pastor and had never approached him for Communion before Jan. 1, when Deptula told the parents that [b]Matthew was not showing proper respect.[/b]

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"How terrible, how difficult for the family," said Denise Resnik, board chairwoman for the Southwest Autism Research Center and the mother of a boy who is dealing with autism. "We often seek comfort in our religion, and it would be nice to think the church would support them to the best degree possible." Diocese officials said they are doing their best to accommodate Matthew's needs, including hosts that are thinner than the norm, thicker, even smaller. Moran says none of the hosts has worked. Matthew will not swallow even a tiny crumb of the host or a drop of wine with any regularity, frequently spitting them out, he said.

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A document of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, "Guidelines for the Celebration of the Sacraments with Persons with Disabilities," says, "Cases of doubt should be resolved in favor of the right of the baptized person to receive the sacrament. The existence of a disability is not considered in and of itself as disqualifying a person from receiving the Eucharist."

Nick Moran said he believes Olmsted is not following those guidelines in the case of his son.

In his letter, Olmsted says, "[b]Just to touch it to one's tongue is not to 'take and eat.' In other words, it is not the reception of Christ in the Eucharist.[/b]

"So while your desire is for your son to receive Holy Communion, he is, in fact, only simulating doing so."

Roberto Dell'Oro, a theologian at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, says concerns about whether Matthew is consuming the host miss the bigger point.

"I'm sure God knows that (Matthew) is receiving Communion," said Dell'Oro, whose son has autism.

"The Eucharist is a symbol of deep sharing in love. It seems hypocritical to point fingers at these kinds of nuances. If the father is taking care of the host (so it is not thrown away or destroyed), then what is the big deal?"

That is the question Moran is asking.

"We didn't make this a major issue," he said. "They did."

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This boy is not reciving communion, and he may spit out the host, which would be sacrelege.

The "theologian" quoted is the one missing the bigger point. The Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ is not "a symbol of the deep sharing of love," it is our Lord and Savior.

I feel for these people (my brother is Autistic), but unless thier son can actually consume the Eucharist, I feel it should be protected from being spit onto the floor.
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It was protected - the father consumed it out of reverence for the Blessed Sacrament. I read this and asked myself why he was not given the wine with a spoon, a valid manner of reception. Christ is fully present in each species. Why are we keeping this person from the Lord's table? What would Christ, the High Priest do?

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='VaticanIILiturgist' post='1129262' date='Nov 27 2006, 11:27 PM']
It was protected - the father consumed it out of reverence for the Blessed Sacrament. I read this and asked myself why he was not given the wine with a spoon, a valid manner of reception. Christ is fully present in each species. Why are we keeping this person from the Lord's table? What would Christ, the High Priest do?
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the problem is the way the father received it. to take the Host from his son's mouth and put it in his own is not licit. There are perfectly easy ways for them to get around this, you mentioned one such method.
Apparently, the very texture of the Communion wafer and wine is what is giving the boy problems. It's an autistic trait. So, any quantity beyond a drop or so of the Blood, and the kid spits. I think the easiest way to deal with this is to educate the people that the Lord is fully present in the merest morsel or drop, and so the priest could place a single drop on the boy's lips or tongue and he would be receiving Communion.

The parents just want to have their own way instead of learn.