goldenchild17 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 A tangent I thought worthy to go on. That is something that I think needed to be cleared up. It is definitely the Calvinist twisting of his doctrine that is in error. Not his teaching itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted October 10, 2006 Author Share Posted October 10, 2006 (edited) but it wasn't just one saint....it was a bunch of them. it was also local church councils, and the Papal teachings. so before vatican II was it a common idea that jews were acurrssed (please excuse the spelling)? Why at Vatican II was this changed? Edited October 10, 2006 by Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 The Jews rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1087991' date='Oct 9 2006, 10:24 PM'] but it wasn't just one saint....it was a bunch of them. it was also local church councils, and the Papal teachings. so before vatican II was it a common idea that jews were acurrssed (please excuse the spelling)? Why at Vatican II was this changed? [/quote]Because denominations change over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='Anomaly' post='1088083' date='Oct 10 2006, 09:12 AM'] Because denominations change over time. [/quote] True, most groups have fallen away from whatever particular vision their human founders deformed from Catholic church teaching. That is not the same as coming to a greater understanding of a teaching you already have. The first is outright change, the second is development of doctrine as we understand it over time. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 and the Church is not a denomination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1088113' date='Oct 10 2006, 08:36 AM'] and the Church is not a denomination [/quote]What's a denomination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='Anomaly' post='1088114' date='Oct 10 2006, 09:37 AM'] What's a denomination? [/quote] You already know. You've been baiting this topic for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 a "denomination" must "denominate" from some other entity. I defy you to tell me which entity the Catholic Church "denominated" from. it is rather a continuation of an entity, the same entity, through many centuries. just because groups left the Church, denominated from the Church, does not make the Church a denomination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='hot stuff' post='1088116' date='Oct 10 2006, 08:45 AM'] You already know. You've been baiting this topic for weeks. [/quote]I've been baiting for someone to provide their definition of a denomination. and what's wrong with it. Sometimes you bait the hook and wait, and wait, and wait, and wiat, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. [quote name='Aloysius' post='1088119' date='Oct 10 2006, 08:59 AM'] a "denomination" must "denominate" from some other entity. I defy you to tell me which entity the Catholic Church "denominated" from. it is rather a continuation of an entity, the same entity, through many centuries. just because groups left the Church, denominated from the Church, does not make the Church a denomination [/quote] buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. No. A religious denomination is a congregation of like minded persons. Look it up and start a thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='Anomaly' post='1088133' date='Oct 10 2006, 11:37 AM'] I've been baiting for someone to provide their definition of a denomination. and what's wrong with it. Sometimes you bait the hook and wait, and wait, and wait, and wiat, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. No. A religious denomination is a congregation of like minded persons. Look it up and start a thread. [/quote] guess it depends on your definition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='Anomaly' post='1088133' date='Oct 10 2006, 10:37 AM'] I've been baiting for someone to provide their definition of a denomination. and what's wrong with it. Sometimes you bait the hook and wait, and wait, and wait, and wiat, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. No. A religious denomination is a congregation of like minded persons. Look it up and start a thread. [/quote] You start a thread. You're the one who's questioning it. Start a legit discussion instead of being passive aggressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='Anomaly' post='1088133' date='Oct 10 2006, 09:37 AM'] I've been baiting for someone to provide their definition of a denomination. and what's wrong with it. Sometimes you bait the hook and wait, and wait, and wait, and wiat, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. No. A religious denomination is a congregation of like minded persons. Look it up and start a thread. [/quote] A religious denomination, Anomoly, is a subgroup within a religion that operates under a common name, tradition, and identity. So, would you like to show me how Catholicism is a "subgroup" of Christianity? Catholicism is a dirivative of what religion? Care to trace the lineage back for me? Yes, Catholics are like-minded, for the most part, and yes, Catholics are part of a congregation, but that is where the similarities end. In order for the Catholic Church to meet the definition of a religious denomination, it must be a subgroup and I argue that the Church is not a subgroup, but rather the Master group and all Protestant denominations are a subgroup, to a greater or lesser degree of the Catholic Church. Good Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='Anomaly' post='1088133' date='Oct 10 2006, 11:37 AM'] I've been baiting for someone to provide their definition of a denomination. and what's wrong with it. Sometimes you bait the hook and wait, and wait, and wait, and wiat, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait. buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. No. A religious denomination is a congregation of like minded persons. Look it up and start a thread. [/quote] LOL yes, in common usage, that is how it is used. but etymologically and actually, a denomination by definition must be de-nominated from another group (usually by a distinguishing name like "lutheran" et cetera; hence the use of the word "de-nominatinate"). You can use the word as it has evolved in protestant circles to support protestant purposes, or you can use it the way it is etymologically intended. Definitions are not always as simple as the first phrase in a dictionary. if you don't know what I'm talking about, take a debate class there is absolutely nothing in the word "denomination" which suggests "a congregation of likeminded persons".. for that you could use "congregation" perhaps... or "religion" (though some religions were de-nominated from other religions and those could be called "denominations") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1088151' date='Oct 10 2006, 10:01 AM'] LOL yes, in common usage, that is how it is used. but etymologically and actually, a denomination by definition must be de-nominated from another group (usually by a distinguishing name like "lutheran" et cetera; hence the use of the word "de-nominatinate"). You can use the word as it has evolved in protestant circles to support protestant purposes, or you can use it the way it is etymologically intended. Definitions are not always as simple as the first phrase in a dictionary. if you don't know what I'm talking about, take a debate class there is absolutely nothing in the word "denomination" which suggests "a congregation of likeminded persons".. for that you could use "congregation" perhaps... or "religion" (though some religions were de-nominated from other religions and those could be called "denominations") [/quote] Take it up with Webster, the dictionary guy. Creating some arcane definition and assuming everyone should know it is like Clinton asking what "is" is or Euty asking what "Church" means. If you have some other way to define denomination than what is used in standard english and is found in an english dictionary, please feel free to establish and define it so that others may know what you mean. Within my household, family and certain friends, 'gar' has a clear and identifible meaning we all comprehend, know, but has nothing to do with the type of fish people associate with the word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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