Liberal Politician Or Terrorist?

[KnightofChrist]

Guess, no cheating! No using Google, Yahoo, just your best guess and thats it.


1… “The war against America and its allies will not be confined to Iraq. Iraq has become a magnet for attracting and training talented fighters.”

2… “The truth is, the administration’s mishandling of the war in Iraq has made US less safe, and Iraq risks becoming what it was not before the war: a training ground for terrorists.”

3…”Iraq is raging with no let-up, and operations in Afghanistan are escalating..., and Pentagon figures show the number of dead and wounded is increasing not to mention the massive material loss.”

4…”I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for… The idea that we are going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong.”

5…”There is no problem in this solution, but it will prevent hundreds of billions from going to influential people and warlords in America — those who supported Bush’s electoral campaign. And from this, we can understand Bush and his gang’s insistence on continuing the war,”

6“This war is a war for oil and the power and prestige of US capitalism. It will be paid for with the lives of tens of thousands of Iraqis and potentially thousands of US troops, and by slashing funding for vital social services in the US such as education and health care.”

7 “George W. Bush is preventing entire nations from bidding on contracts in Iraq so his campaign contributors can continue to overcharge the American taxpayers.”

8 ________says he would end the “war-profiteering.”

9 “The policy in Iraq of putting the corporate special interests first is unacceptable.”

10. __________said the president is “more concerned about the success of Halliburton than having a success strategy in Iraq.”

11…“And there is no reason young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the–of–the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not…”

[Lounge Daddy]

this is awsome...
after hearing president "tom" of iran, i thought that a game like this would be fun - and make a great point
you rock, Knight

now are these quotes from different people, or the same person?

because i wanna say #4 is Howard Dean
and #6 is Iran's President "Tom"

[Anomaly]

I am pretty sure ALL the quotes are from Bush Haters (liberal Democrats) except #5 may be from Tom, and #6 I'm pretty sure is from Osama or his #2 man.

From a catholic perspective, many of these posts are immoral in accordance with the guidelines of their catechism.

[quote]2308 All citizens and all governments are obliged to work for the avoidance of war. [/quote]How does 'cutting and running' and abandoning Iraq to insurgents contribute to the futuer avoidance of war?

[quote]However, "as long as the danger of war persists and there is no international authority with the necessary competence and power, governments cannot be denied the right of lawful self-defense, once all peace efforts have failed."106 [/quote]The UN as shown it had failed to get Saddaam to comply with the weapon inspections to ensure Iraq (who had a history of starting war and continually threatened to start more). No compentent power and stopping somebody threatening to start a war sounds as reasonable as somebody threatening to shoot someone in the head. Does a sniper not shoot unless he knows the gun is loaded first?

[quote]2309 The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:
- the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain; [/quote]Terrorists blowing up embassies, airliners, and nations threatening to shoot missles into another Country seem to be serious and grave. Believing they have the ability makes it pretty certain. Again, do you wait until the person pulls the trigger to see how bad the bullet wound is going to be before you act?

[quote]- all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective; [/quote]I have yet seen ANYONE come up with a practical or effective plan in the case of Iraq. They've been undersanctions for over 10 years, the people are starving while those in power continued to get rich, rebuild their army, and make new threats against Isreal and their neighbors.

[quote]- there must be serious prospects of success;[/quote]This is a biggy. Is undermining the probablity of Iraq establishing a legitimate government (in it's present condition) a moral choice for 'catholics'? If the US pulls out, what are the likely prospects for the citizens of Iraq?

[quote]- the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modem means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine.[/quote]Think about 'nuclear weapons', biological agents, unguided missles... The use of expensive 'smart weapons' may not eliminate civillian death, but the US could choose to buy a plane and load it with WW2 style bombs for each cruise missle or guided bomb it's deployed.


[quote]The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.[/quote]The judgement lies with the President, not a pope.

[quote]2310 Public authorities, in this case, have the right and duty to impose on citizens the obligations necessary for national defense.

Those who are sworn to serve their country in the armed forces are servants of the security and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.107[/quote]US citizens have been obligated now that the US has been engaged. US citizens have the responsibility to fulfill their duty in an honorable manner. Lies, political manipulations, and other shinnanigans that undermine efforts to bring this matter to a conclusion are dishonorable and immoral. If you disagree, we live in a country where we can disagree openly and publically. You catholics though, are obligated to disagree honestly and in an informed manner. Support ideas and canidates that are providing alternatives that are moral and evaluate them honestly.

Edited October 4, 2006 by Anomaly

[Jaime]

#2 is from the CIA. As far as I know, they haven't publicly declared any hatred for Bush.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1083633' date='Oct 4 2006, 05:45 AM']
this is awsome...
after hearing president "tom" of iran, i thought that a game like this would be fun - and make a great point
you rock, Knight

now are these quotes from different people, or the same person?

because i wanna say #4 is Howard Dean
and #6 is Iran's President "Tom"
[/quote]

Different people both terrorist, and Liberal Politician...

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1083633' date='Oct 4 2006, 05:45 AM']
because i wanna say #4 is Howard Dean
[/quote]

At work right now, dont have my list but I do believe you are correct. Kahwazy ol'Dean

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1083709' date='Oct 4 2006, 09:16 AM']
#2 is from the CIA. As far as I know, they haven't publicly declared any hatred for Bush.
[/quote]


*BUZZ* "I aploygize Alex, What is the CIA" Sorry that is still not the correct answer, but thank you for playing This is Jeopardy, better luck next time, and now a word from our sponsers...

[Anomaly]

All right, here's my guesses.
1- Osama. This came out on a video or tape within the last year. I believe it was referred to by Bush in prior to this year Sept 11 as to why the US needs to stay in Iraq.
2-Some Liberal Democrat. I question as opposed to any of the other many places that Islamic Nazis are fighting (Somalia for example?)
3-I believe that was in an Al-Queda recruiting tape by Osama's #2 guy.
4- Dean
5- That's an Osama quote.
6- I think that's a trick question. It came from Hugo or some other political leader that is anit-capitalist. They were political, but not Dem or Rep, but I don't think it was Al-Queda. I'm stumped on to what group.
7 and the rest - I'd guess their all Liberal Dems just from the wording. It has to be people who were campainging.
11- I remember this one. It was Kerry, about 4-6 months ago. I believe he had to apologize by characterizing all the US troops going in a house as 'terrorizing', equating it with real terroist acts such as bombers. It was a really bad choice of words and a major faux paux on his part.
It also became known that the troops usually have translators and were given certain guidelines regarding certain muslim and cultural issues when going in a house and usually had Iraqi's with them when raiding a house to arrest someone unless they entered during an actual fire fight or chasing someone who set off an IED.
Kerry took alot of heat for that one.

Edited October 4, 2006 by Anomaly

[Groo the Wanderer]

LibDem, terrorist...not a lot of difference really. Both wanna destroy America, have a twisted sense of morality (if they have any at all), believe the ends justify the means.

One uses bombs, one uses the drive-by media...both deadly.

[Lil Red]

be charitable to these people please, even though they will never read this threads.

[Jaime]

[quote]*BUZZ* "I aploygize Alex, What is the CIA" Sorry that is still not the correct answer, but thank you for playing This is Jeopardy, better luck next time, and now a word from our sponsers... [/quote]

*ahem*

[quote]Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Fuels Terror
The conflict spreads extremism and serves as a laboratory for deadly tactics, says a bleak analysis by 16 U.S. intelligence units.
By Greg Miller, Times Staff Writer
September 24, 2006

WASHINGTON — The war in Iraq has made global terrorism worse by fanning Islamic radicalism and providing a training ground for lethal methods that are increasingly being exported to other countries, according to a sweeping assessment by U.S. intelligence agencies.

The classified document, which represents a consensus view of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, paints a considerably bleaker picture of the impact of the Iraq war than Bush administration or U.S. intelligence officials have acknowledged publicly, according to officials familiar with the assessment.

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"They conclude that the Iraq war has made it worse," said a government official familiar with the document who spoke on condition of anonymity because of its classified nature.

President Bush and Vice President Johnsonville brat Cheney repeatedly have described the war in Iraq as the central front in the war on terrorism and argue that Americans are safer as a result of the administration's policies.

The report, titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States," was completed and described to U.S. government officials in April but not made public. The document is what is known as a National Intelligence Estimate, or NIE, which is designed to represent the U.S. intelligence community's most comprehensive treatment of a subject.

The 30-page report documents an array of disturbing trends in the war on terrorism and focuses on forces that are contributing to the evolution of Islamic terrorist networks from centralized structures to an increasingly fragmented ideological movement.

[b]"It paints a fairly stark picture of what we all know, and that this is a movement that is spreading and gaining momentum around the world," said the official familiar with the document. "Things like the Iraq war have given the terrorists recruiting tools and places to ply their trade and a training ground."
[/b]
The official said the estimate touches on a number of factors fueling the jihadist movement, but that "the reference to Iraq was the main one."

[b]A U.S. intelligence official who has seen the document said that many of the report's findings were outlined in a speech in San Antonio in April by Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the former principal deputy director of national intelligence. Hayden has since become director of the CIA.

Hayden did not single out the Iraq war in the speech as a particularly powerful force shaping terrorist networks. But he did acknowledge "the centrality of Iraq" and said the conflict there and how it is portrayed in Islamic media continue to cultivate support for the global jihadist movement.[/b]

In that speech, Hayden said that the global jihadist movement "is spreading and adjusting to our counterterrorism efforts, and it is also exploiting the communications revolution, the Internet."

While describing the Al Qaeda terrorist network as still the most dangerous threat to the United States, Hayden said that Islamic activists were increasingly identifying themselves as jihadists, and that they were "increasing in both their number and in their geographic dispersion."

Hayden went on to say how factors fueling the spread of the movement, including "entrenched grievances — corruption, historic injustice, even fear of Western domination — leave many in parts of the Islamic world with feelings of anger and a sense of powerlessness."

The Bush administration has made the case that a democratic government in the Middle East would serve as a beacon to other nations, providing new hope to populations of disaffected Muslims.

"The world is safer because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power," Bush said in his speech to the nation on the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. "The safety of America depends on the outcome of the battle in the streets of Baghdad." He also said that Americans were "safer, but we are not yet safe" from terrorism.

Bush and Cheney frequently have dismissed suggestions that the U.S. presence in Iraq has inflamed anger toward the United States, arguing that U.S. forces were not in Baghdad on Sept. 11, 2001.

In the run-up to November midterm elections, Republicans in Congress have sought to emphasize their credentials on national security and fighting terrorism, uncoupling those issues from the war in Iraq, which is unpopular with voters.

In public testimony and unclassified documents, U.S. intelligence officials have for several years been pointing to the more troubling consequences of the drawn-out conflict in Iraq. In particular, officials have highlighted the anger that Muslim extremists feel about the U.S. presence in the region — which has also been one of Osama bin Laden's rallying cries.

Intelligence officials have also pointed to the flow of Muslims from other countries, including Europe, to Iraq to join the insurgency. Those who survive the fighting often leave and return to their home countries with dangerous new experience in urban fighting, bomb-making and — perhaps most important — credibility with other potential Muslim recruits.

Last week, the House Intelligence Committee warned in a report that the danger from terrorists faced by the U.S. was "more alarming than the threat that existed" before Sept. 11. The document also warned that Iraq had become a breeding ground for terrorists who might target other countries.

The April intelligence estimate was produced under the direction of David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. Its conclusions were first reported by the New York Times on its website on Saturday.

National Intelligence Estimates are produced by the National Intelligence Council, a group of high-level analysts from government and academic institutions. The council was previously based at the CIA. But following intelligence overhauls passed in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, the council was restructured to report to Director of National Intelligence John D. Negroponte. [/quote]


Might want to rethink that Knight.

and read a newspaper or two

[Lounge Daddy]

awe... I really thought #6 was President Tom

so I got one out of two guesses... not too bad

[Anomaly]

I just cheated and Googled. It's from Senator Harry Reid.

But wasn't that all mixed up with misunderstanding of the NIE document that Bush decided to de-classify?

But technically, in your article, the quote wasn't exact. The quote was from an anonymous source that was paraphrasing the classified NIE document. The NIE document was generated from 16 intelligence agencies so it could have been CIA, FBI, NSA, or the BBC.

No cookie on that one.

And I'm way wrong on my #6 but I was close it was someone who hated capitalism.

When is KoC giving awards? I hope I did better on the Bush/Hitler quiz.

Edited October 4, 2006 by Anomaly

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1084277' date='Oct 4 2006, 07:12 PM']
Senator Harry Reid.
[/quote]

Reid? bah.

[KnightofChrist]

1. Usama bin Laden

[b]2. Senator Harry Reid, the [u]Democratic[/u] leader[/b]

3. Bin Laden

4. HOWARD DEAN

5. Usama bin Laden

6. The Socialist Party in America

7-10 ALL THE LIBERALS AGREEING WITH THE SOCIALISTS AND TERRORIST BIN LADEN - Howard Dean, John Edwards, Johnsonville brat Gephardt, and Wesley Clark

11… JOHN KERRY

HERE ARE MANY MANY MORE EXAMPLES OF HOW THE LIBERALS AND THE WORLD BIGGEST TERRORIST THINK ALIKE:

“We know that the majority of your people want this war to end and opinion polls show the Americans do not want to fight the Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their land,” -BIN LADEN

“You know Iraq was no threat to the United States of America until we invaded. I mean they’re not even a threat to the United States of America. Iraq was not involved in 9-11, Iraq was not a terrorist state. But now that we have decimated the country, the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and they [American troops] have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country” - Cindy Sheehan

“Bush tried to ignore the polls that demanded that he end the war in Iraq,” -BIN LADEN

“If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime–Pol Pot or others–that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.” – Johnsonville brat DURBIN

“I believe that the president’s leadership in the actions taken in Iraq demonstrate an incompetence in terms of knowledge, judgment and experience in making the decisions that would have been necessary to truly accomplish the mission without the deaths to our troops and the cost to our taxpayers.” - NANCY PELOSI

“The reckless abuse of power by George Bush and his right-wing allies is an imminent danger to the nation and must be stopped. The Bush Administration has “poisoned the air and water” – Ted Kennedy quotes in a fund raiser letter for the dems

“There was no imminent threat. This was made up in Texas, announced in January to the Republican leadership that war was going to take place and was going to be good politically. This whole thing (going to war in Iraq) was a fraud.” -TED KENNEDY

“No matter what the greatest tyrant in the world, the greatest terrorist in the world, George W. Bush says, we’re here to tell you: Not hundreds, not thousands, but millions of the American people . . . support your revolution,” Harry Belafonte

[Lounge Daddy]

Awesome post, Knight

The liberals with a microphone to America –thanks to our freedoms- are, sadly, helping the enemy and many of them don’t even know it…
What really bothers me is people like Senator John Murtha, who joined others in questionable dealings with questionable Middle-Eastern political financiers… or Cindy Sheehan, who has had numerous meetings with Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong Il, and other outspoken enemies of the US Republic… or Bill Clinton, who gathered huge political re-election campaign contributions from China (hint: weapons technology)… or Kerry, who is honored with a permanent exhibit in a Communist museum in east Asia for helping the USA to loose the Vietnam war… or Mike Moore, who readily accepted vast donations to fund distribution of his 9/11 op-ed sham to as many colleges and universities as possible ---- the financer was Hezbollah

These people are still championed by the left… they have hijacked the democratic party long ago… and now the enemy is sinking it’s teeth into the us.

[KnightofChrist]

Dont thank me thank thebosunlocker.blogspot.com, didnt give the source until now one because people would have probably cheated, and lost the bookmark until now...

I just thought it would be a great idea to post, since I heared my local radio station, run the piece. And searched the net for days trying to find it...

But yeah had these comments been made during WWII Liberals would have been seen as Benedict Arnolds. But its not, so not only do we have to win the war on terror but also, the more "civil" civil war at home.

Edited October 5, 2006 by KnightofChrist